You are correct that what was in vanilla is vanilla.
The argument can be made that there were things that were added later in vanilla that were added in preparation for the changes that TBC would bring. They were still part of vanilla, but were not added with TBC, not vanilla, in mind.
Note: I am not saying that Mass was one of those things.
You understand that this is a silly concept right? Back then they weren’t thinking “Yeah this feature here would be TERRIBLE for our orignial game, but it’s perfect for our expansion”… No… they added features to their game because they thought it was good for their game. There was no distinction back then of vanilla and TBC as there is today because they were just doing what they thought was best for their game. The only stuff that was ‘intended’ for tbc, was everything that came with the tbc prepatch.
I do mind. I am not going to entertain your willful ignorance.
Just wanted you to give me a solid answer so I can point out your hypocrisies. If you want to keep them a mystery I understand.
Why must the 2 choices be zerg or turtle? Why cannot it once again be Peeling the Onion?
I think most people that would prefer an earlier of AV would find the 1.8 version perfectly acceptable. That version is not a zergfest for quick wins, but fixed a lot of the bugs.
That’s not making an argument. That’s making a massive assumption.
Then the nerfed version is not warranted.
Giving valuable feedback is considered complaining now…? Ok. We are all glad that we are getting Classic servers and I am sure everyone here will play it regardless if we get AV 1.12 or ~1.08. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t give feedback to the developers on something that can be done better though. Whether they listen or not is another question.
+1 good sir and fully agree.
We need more threads about AV. There are still like three non AV threads on the first page. Can’t have that.
staggering content is authentic.
staggering content but keeping 1.12 through the entire thing is not.
We can never have enough of AV!
To all the people defending Blizz saying they can’t do 1.5 AV:
You are wrong. PS have 1.5 AV , where did the get the data from???
Maybe Blizz should ring them up and ask for it?
I never believed they “lost” the data.
Versions previous than 1.12 were harder to zerg. There were more NPCs and more ways for lower levels to help. It is in the patch notes how much it had been nerfed in 1.11 and 1.12.
I want the NPCs strong, I want guards in the towers and Lieutenants in the boss rooms.
Anyone that is saying 1.12 is as easy to zerg as the previous versions are just trolling. I would just ignore them. If the devs are watching the forums they are seeing the same 10 people argue against a hundred.
Because we have the retail WoW players in here who want the easier versions. It’s the same attitude that has ruined WoW for the true Vanilla fan base.
I dont see why they dont just go play retail WoW if they want to have fast matches.
The majority of the community is logging in to say we want an earlier version and they are being called trolls because they havnt posted anything yet. Errr… that means they came to voice their opinion and the trolls are the ones bouncing around on the forums talking down on those who want a previous version.
To be fair the older versions as we remember them in 1.5 is basically just a turtle battle. The choice of “Peeling the Onion” IS the choice of turtle.
Though while I don’t play on private servers and I’m sure somebody will be along shortly to claim private servers are wildly inaccurate, from what I’ve been reading apparently private servers did try having an older version of AV and people zerged it anyway(pugs too, not just premades).
Granted it is easier to stop a zerg in the earlier versions, but the mentality that a fast lost is better than a slow win seems to be pretty prevalent.
Blizzard is to blame for that, with marks of honor and diminishing HK returns.
That hardly matters to the point that the mentality is prevalent enough that people will try to zerg any version of AV given to them.
I am fine with people trying to zerg. What I am against is the later versions that enabled the strategy.