That makes no sense. You are not losing your friends by playing an alt on another server when the queues are too heavy on certain days for you. You make more friends overall because you meet new people on the new server. Also a big chunk of guild interactions happen on discord anyway, which is outside the queue. You compare it with real life and treat rolling another toon on another server like it would mean the death of your main.
Its simply not true. If i had the option in real life to have multiple friends in different location and meet em with the click of a few buttons, id prefer that over just having one clique at that one school. I am just pointing out, nothing is uprooted because there is a queue on your server. You are not losing your friends.
Thats not gonna happen, because you wanted layering. And you got layering and now all the sheeps are silent and blizz can just lean back and cash in on that sweet bot money, because everyone plays on some perverted version of vanilla. And yes #no changes did not work as well as the no changes crowd wanted. But if you give in to layering the buck wont stop there. There will be something else and players are just gonna eat it up and cry and demand a fast (and stupid) solution like fruitcake because they are unwilling to just step a little out of their comfort zone. Next thing you know we get the great wow token that china classic wow already has.
I understand the frustration but the solution players demand is stupid. And its not like you have not been told that your servers were full, or given the option to move (free of charge).
As said its blizzards fault for the most part but some of you are really like little kids that got told: Dont touch the hot plate with your bare hands, youll burn your hand. And you still chose to touch it. And now you cry. Eh
That’s because these are in-game communities. Discord is just a more convenient means to communicate when not in-game. If they didn’t have WoW to gather in, to do things together in, to raid and do dungeons together in, then they aren’t a guild. There is a reason why games are so favored for making friends online; because communities with no purpose fail. WoW is the glue that keeps a WoW community together. Take it out, and you are no longer a part of that community. You’re just a rando in voice chat that gets told to “Please be quiet” while everyone else is raiding.
How exactly is it the player’s fault for “not stepping out of their comfort zone” when Blizzard refuses to resolve the botting problem?
Again, I disagree. I am part of 3 communities on 3 different toons. Nobody ever told me to shut up when I was not in raid. I do not make every raid on every char every week and I am still part of the “clique”. Now I assume you only have your main? Maybe give it a try before claiming things that are not true, and If they actually are true (in your case for instance) well then your ingame communites are arguably not worth keeping anyway. If they exile you that easily, no loss brother!
Its the players fault for making the game worse overall because they demand layering back, which is against the spirit of this game and the idea behind classic and vanilla, which was said multiple times by the dev. team. By crying out “WE WANT LAYERING” you are going against said spirit and you ruin the game as a whole. Its why i said: Fighting for layering to fix the queue problem is the wrong hill to fight on.
Sorry then, but your sense of community is not as strong as the sense of community of those who engage in one community. It only makes sense. Spending 3 hours with one group grows strong bonds with that group. But if you instead opt to split those 3 hours up into 1 hour sessions with a different group, then those bonds will be more shallow, and will grow much more slowly.
Also, the “Please be quiet” comment was referring to keeping voice chat clear so that people can call out mechanics and what not.
I personally don’t really like layering. But if it is the only way to prevent hundreds or thousands of people from having to wait in queues for 4 hours just to play the game, because Blizzard refuses to ban the hundreds or thousands of bots plaguing the game, then it is the lesser of two evils.
Of course, both layering and queues would be much less of a problem if Blizzard did their job and actually banned the numerous bots that are violating the ToS. But, like I said, they won’t. For the same reason they’ve always defended multi-boxers: money. They don’t care if they ruin the experience, the economy, etc… They give them money, so violate the ToS all they want apparently.
This is just you trying to preserve your own ideas of the game as if they should be everyone’s idea of the game.
Also, if you’ve already moved from the servers that were overpopulated yourself, why would layering affect you? It’s not like the servers that don’t need it would be forced to be layered too.
Seems a bit contradictory to expect other people to “just deal with it” by moving, but if they did turn layering back on on servers that would benefit from it queue wise would you just “deal with it?” With how strongly you argue against it, I highly doubt it.
I mean it seems pretty sensible to me that some things would need to change after 15 years from the time the game was on the up-and-coming to now when it’s an MMO staple. Full servers in 2004-2006 were nowhere near what “full” means in Classic today. You can’t expect populations to be insurmountably higher than they originally were and think everything should just turn out exactly the same way if you leave it completely alone. That’s insane to me.
Nope. Mismanagement on the part of devs is not the players’ responsibility. And blizz has mismanaged realm populations and balance every time they have had the opportunity.
While people had some idea of the possibilities, the idea that anyone out there now in a bad situation knew exactly what was going to happen in the future is false. It’s a lie to make you feel superior. Is that why you play, to claim some false moral superiority over other players caught in a situation you would not have known about yourself until it was too late?
The only person I see here crying and sobbing and whining is YOU.
Go crawl back under your log until you’re ready to evolve into an actual human being rather than a canned insult bot.
Honestly, you are just fishing here now dont you? Hours determine how deep a friendship is now? Really?
It is not and thats what blizzard made you believe with their trashy response to queues. The issue now is though that you actually keep coming back and demand this stupid “solution”. Apparently not understanding its implication, apparently not seeing the shortsightedness of it. If players demand layering they can just turn it on whenever and then claim “well but you wanted it!”.
Just saying: Well they wont fix the bot problem or the multi box problem, so might as well crash the train early by demanding layering is not the right play imho. And if you care for the game you would not want it either. Because then we might as well go back to retail.
And for the 4 hour queue problem: Then do not sit in that queue on that day. You can still play the game but it might be on a different toon with different people. That is still a better solution than bringing back that awful layering.
You have not read anything at all about what i wrote. I do blame blizzard for the server issues, but just saying: Well they players are free of guilt is simply not true.
We live in a min max age nowadays where everyone rolls the best faction with the best racial for whatever they want to do ingame. Play a nelf rogue? OMG WHY? I do not have the sword spec racial, why would I ever roll nelf.
Everyone rolling orc warriors on pvp realms… definitely cause of the looks right? Players are not helping. They knew that blizz would not touch certain abilities from the original game and instead of players just taking a chill pill everyone went still ultra tryhard mode.
And again, they made posts about certain servers being full and that players should move now or they will eat queues. Then they offered free transfers as well but nobody cared to take em. Like the solutions presented might not have been ideal but they gave you an option and players chose to ignore it. Like how can you still sit here and say: well we are 100% blameless in this. ?
Its actually the idea of the dev team. They stated in multiple interviews that layering should not be part of the core experience. But if you people start demanding it now, they might change their minds, ruining the game even further. I can not believe anyone in their right mind wants a layered vanilla experience.
And how often do you expect em to turn it off and on before the “its only temporary” becomes a meme like it is on retail wow?
I have not stalked you. After reading your post laying 100% of the blame on that poster I saw no reason to see if you had written something higher up in the thread that might have been at all nuanced.
If you think “orc warriors” are the problem, I think you are no one to discuss anything here.
“Why didn’t you take one for the team and leave your server or just quit the game because you knew right from the start exactly what was going to happen, and it’s all your fault.”
People like you are the problem. “Go pay lots of money or start over on a new server where you will never catch up to where you were before, and I’ll be laughing my head off at you for not knowing 100% what the future will hold as I did.”
FAIL. Go play some other game if you’re so unhappy here that you want to spread your misery to others as well. Pick a game you don’t like, it’ll be good for you.
That’s a scapegoat you’re using because you think it adds more weight to your opinion. “Oh well the devs think so so obviously what I think is right!” This is the same company that thought RNG legendaries and Azerite armor were good and compelling ideas.
And yet they gave layering a try anyway. It’s not the best solution, but it was worth a shot to them. Offering transfers didn’t really fix anything either did it? If anything it made certain servers worse. Ignoring the problem and “just dealing with it” isn’t a solution either, it’s just willful tolerance.
So aside from those 3 things, that clearly have not worked, what should be done? Or are you just here to play the blame game? If so, then it doesn’t really matter who’s fault it is. It’s not like when you figure that out the problem automatically goes away, does it?
Scapegoat… its what the devs said, but you should know better obviously? Its funny how you accuse me of pushing my agenda of how the game is supposed to look like when you are the one basically saying “well the devs are wrong and I am right!”.
Also they offered free transfers and I said its not ideal but players were just unwilling to give it a shot as well, bringing me back to my statement: you can not just blame company. Players are unwilling to move, are unwilling to sit in a queue even though they have been warned (multiple times) there would be queues if they did not. Unwilling to roll an alt meanwhile on another server. They would rather burn down the experience by allowing blizzard to make even further changes to the game (which btw, none of em have been good so far: e.g. AV) resulting in its early demise or some unplayable hybrid of modern wow and whatever is left of vanilla. Not to mention that opening up even more idiotic changes, so the last bastion of WoW vanilla is completely destroyed. And at the end of the day Blizz can then mount their high horse and say: “Well the players all wanted these changes, now go play shadowlands!”
Absolute yikes. Just eat the queue please or roll a toon and stop trying to “improve” the game with your ideas.