I would kick out more Mythic + but the pugging has been…exhausting.
I just do not have it in me anymore to crank out hours and runs to get my IO score up for pugs to even acknowledge me. I regret sometimes making this one toon my sole effort for all these years. I just love warrior too much to switch over.
I’ll just continue sticking with the occasional Mythic + guild run and raids.
I completely agree with the Op and Im laughing my butt off at Gutsmack who has absolutely no idea what he is talking about regarding pugging in actual endgame content because he doesnt actually do the content. Your only key is a +2 and you barely stepped foot in Nathria in the 2 months its been out. You should shut your smug mouth. You have absolutely no idea about the state of pugging right now. Heroic Nathria and higher m+ especially this time around are overtuned for the rewards provided. Pugs are worse than they were in BFA by a mile. Ive never had this much trouble getting Aotc. Pugs and all the random trash guild discords I join are basically struggling hard and the low drop rate and low ilevel rewards make meaningful gearing all backed up in the weekly vault to inflate sub time. Spending 3 hours in Nathria wiping with pugs is what made me unsub.
Most people who played since release are stuck between 210-215ish praying to the vault god each week and doing pvp because Nathria is dry as hell and m+ end of dungeon rewards are a joke. I changed specs to elemental as a last resort to rekindle my interest but lost so much equiped ilevel in the process that I dont have the heart to pug more overtuned content for 35 anima a piece.
This expansion, like literally every expansion, is anti pug, anti alt. Could really take a leaf out of other MMO’s books (eg SWTOR legacy system for alt friendliness) but then they’d actually have to have enough content or compelling story to get players to spend time on instead, as it is now, kind of a log in, raid, log out kind of deal.
Yep. Officially worse than bfa for alts. In bfa we had warfronts and world bosses that dropped upgrades for alts. In SL we got…nothing. World bosses don’t drop loot anymore really and there’s nothing comparable to warfront ilvl gear. And thats without mentioning trying to grind up anima on a new alt lmfao. And people wonder why everyone has dropped pve and are now buying carries for pvp rated gear.
I’ll be praying all night. I’ve lit at least 150 candles already, Oribos is about to catch FIRE.
Imagine using pvp gear lmao, as if you’d use pvp gear when perfectly useable gear drops from raids. Every item I’ve gotten from raid has been useable. I’ve only gotten conduits though
What are you rambling about? 1600 rating pvp gear offers the same ilevel as the heroic raid. 1800 is 220. Thats significant. In some cases, versa benefits some specs that values it as a stat priority. The raw ilevel increase gives you the ability to patch up a low ilevel slot with a high ilevel pvp piece of your choice (conquest currency is deterministic). Its great. In an ideal world everyone would be rocking perfect pve gear from raid to raid. In the real world people who do both types of content supplement raid gear with pve gear and vice versa.
Or you could pug with slackers rambling about their lives on discord for hours while wiping to orbs on Lady Inerva.
I pugged my way to ksm two weeks ago and it was challenging but rewarding. It took a lot of time and effort though
Except where you could get something worth sticking your neck out for your more likely to get nothing.
Oh boy. People sure do wana play that huh?
All i do is pug
Imagine just imagine thinking you should be CE as a pug
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I’m genuinely curious about how people who go about pugging will normally do stuff now. Do you guys just open up your group finder and start applying to groups and see what sticks? I wound up making a discord Horde-side for doing keystones where we’d have people just kind of congregate after being in a group with us, but it became a solid core group overtime.
Like do you guys run with randos every dungeons? Because there’s ZERO shame in adding that one healer you ran with that miserable plaguefall or that tank who took that crawl to boss 3 in HoA like a champ to your bnet and asking them if they want to run with you again.
Thread topic is on pugs, not alts. Weren’t warfronts 8.1?
Oh snap. My brain translated it into “anti-alt” 
Well we’ll see what they do in 9.1 but at least 8.- had brolls. I know brolls are a meme but they actually helped me quite a bit.
Personally, I refuse to do anything past M0. You do harder content for a what, 5% chance at a drop? Then you do harder content for more gear. It’s a cycle.
Once I do my LFR raids, my renown quests and am happy with my xmogs I alt, or play a different game. When the week resets, rinse and repeat.
Am I the only one that is able to join a +2 - 5, run it along with their own key and enjoy it for what it is?
Geez.
Pugging is hard. Pugging is always been hard. Mythic plus has made it harder. It’s just the nature of the beast. If you want play a game that can be completed by pugging now, play WoW Classic.
they are lowkey telling you to make friends
I’ve pugged Normal Nathria all the way up to Sire Denathrius. Now Heroic might be a bit antipug and need a community/guild of regularly raiding players to do, but I’ve seen plenty of heroics in LFG being advertised at least.
It’s both. Anti-alt and anti-pug. The anti-alt is part of what also makes it anti-pug.