Gross, very nasty what they are doing.
Yeah I’m not saying the AV premades are cheating, if you read the rest of my post I explain that the ingame methods used to que into an Alterac Valley premade are not cheating / ToS / EULA / actionable.
I’m just giving credence to the notion that third party communication can be used to facilitate cheating. In this scenario and by Blizzard’s scheme rules, this is not a form of cheating.
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You’re correct. It precedent hasn’t been set, yet. Based on the last blue post, it looks like it might if folks keep trying to circumvent the queue system.
@Cauchy I am guildmates with the founder of the AV premade discord. It mostly was friends and guildees running as 10-15 man AV premades at first. It’s grown considerably since then.
Blizzard is “cool” with it and if they weren’t, it would be actionable.
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…and?
Not my friends, but Blizzard places no restrictions on how people choose to form their in-game relationships with other players, so whether they have extensively restrictive rules or no rules at all is really nothing to make much fuss about. You might as well gripe about loot councils vs MS/OS roll systems… Blizzard doesn’t care and gives us the freedom to do as we please.
Only 5 are queuing up though. No one is magically queuing as a raid or circumventing that functionality.
Right. My point above was that “method” being super broad includes both the individual acts and the resulting combination. Discord won’t be a problem until VOIP are a generic problem, so the bug/exploit/whatever has to be found elsewhere and… well… there’s none to be had.
I appreciate you taking the time to chat about this, and for your calm demeanor.
It’s not actionable, yet. They’re clearly putting in more measures to disrupt the behavior. Making it actionable would probably hurt the Alliance considerably, as they’re having a hard enough time getting Alliance players involved in PvP.
In the end, these pre-made teams are hurting the Alliance considerably. If you filter the teams to where all someone’s “friends” who happen to meet certain criteria and put them in one match, that leaves the other folks that may not meet that criteria in another.
Whenever I’ve run things with friends in-game, there is usually a lot more flexibility in who’s allowed to partake in any given activity, not less.
You’re reaching, man.
This is non-sequitur. We do not have random queues for PvE content. If you’re entering in a raid or dungeon, loot rules, if there are any, are discussed ahead of time. Battlegrounds have a random queue, and folks are gaming the system to stack groups.
Yeah, because solo-queues put you at a higher risk of not being with the rest, as people drop AVs that are in progress all the time. This is actually spelled out loud and clear under the instructions that tell you how to queue up, when to accept and when to drop.
Your incredulity doesn’t mean anything. You’re trying to parse out something that Blizzard explicitly doesn’t give two-craps about, as if it matters. This is literally no different than whining about guilds having requirements for their raids and/or guild membership. It isn’t a Blizzard regulated thing, so you harping on it means exactly jack crap.
No, it isn’t. You’re trying to make a fuss about how and why some people in this game choose to organize themselves. It has nothing to do with the reason for organizing at all. You’re trying to add rules and restrictions and caveats that don’t exist. Stop that.
This argument is dumb for a variety of reasons:
- People randomly group all the time in PvE for quests and dungeons in PuGs, often with nothing discussed whatsoever
- BGs allow for group queuing, so organization and restrictive rules on how you organize that group go hand-in-hand and, most importantly, ARE STRICTLY ALLOWED
- No one is “gaming” any system to stack groups. People are hitting the queue button. That’s it. That’s what you’re railing about.
…and? Queuing as 5 people isn’t a problem, it is explicitly allowed by Blizzard. Dropping the BG is also not a problem, it is explicitly allowed by Blizzard and has an in-game penalty already worked in.
You strongly wanting this to be a problem doesn’t make it a problem. You haven’t pointed to a single actionable facet or reason why it should be changed.
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Groups of five, more than that are not permitted.
Right, but are you sure they aren’t premadeing full groups?
Interestingly enough, I’ve found your replies to be incredulous as well.
You’ve typed quite a bit, and it appears you’ve put a fair amount of thought into it, yet none if it convinced me to think otherwise.
You guys exploited AV previously and they made it harder for you to do that then, you know what’s coming next.
fasc one day you might wanna let an argument go . One day you might.
not telling what to do i would never do that cuz i would get a storm i dont like storm
I guess your new fasc is know forum social pvper
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Why are you guys playing mental gymnastics to argue this?
Blizzard already patched this in Classic because a 3rd party system was getting abused to mass group que AV.
Now Alliance is doing it again but expecting a different result because?
I’m really hoping these guys get a ban, there’s no way to justify this especially if this happened before, and the rules are clear as day.
It’s especially cringe when alliance spergs spam “make your own AV premade”. Like just stop, please.
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Nah, I normally agree with Fasc on most things.
Apparently this isn’t one of them.
Though he did hurt my feelings when he called me a troll.
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Unless they’ve done something to break the code, their is no way to do this other than luck of the draw with timing. It is literally just various 5-man teams queuing at the same time and hoping they get paired up, nothing more.
Just take the L with grace next time, don’t cop out with this “too lazy to read” nonsense.
No one got banned, it wasn’t an exploit. Rather Blizzard made changes to the baseline game (can’t see BG number til after you join).
You think they’re going to kill 5-man queuing altogether? D O U B T
NEVER!! 
There’s only so much you can do to avoid a bunch of people just queueing up at the same time from actually getting into the same BG.
Backpedaling dodge against forums posters isn’t going to help you with the Activison subcontractors you need to watch out for. Good luck!
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I mean, he’s not wrong.
…uhhhh those are certainly words.
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Yeah, you think you’ve made a reasonable argument about how your 5man group just happens to end up in an AV premade with 7 other 5man groups and you’re all in the same comms channel together, and that’s going to work on the Activision employee that is responsible for adding you to the list on the coming mass banwave. Good luck!
…for what? Having the audacity to use basic communication?
Delusion, thy name is Fastt.
so if you join a random bg, and tell everyone to join a discord call is this cheating? mental gymnastics be crazy
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