They claim that pre-made teams aren't stacked

[Jamama-fairbanks]

Using voice chat? You know there is a whole process to this.

There is literally a application process for you to get verified before getting into the AV premade, then there is a whole another process of joining the que at the same time when the leader calls it with hundreds of people, then moving into that AV channel with 20-30 people.

Just think about it. You guys are going through all these steps to be able to cross-server que, avoid the AV group restriction and to put yourself in an advantage over the enemy

“influencing and/or facilitating gameplay, including exploits of any in-game bugs, and thereby granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods;”

I really don’t know how much more specific I gotta be with you man, ESPECIALLY IF THIS EVENT HAPPENED ALREADY IN CLASSIC. Just think about that, food for thought. How much I gotta hammer this into your head, especially if this is the second time happening.

[Rorshak-incendius]

Ok then having an application process in order to get better geared players in your pug raids is also considered cheating then, because doing so gives you an advantage over someone who doesn’t.

You understand how subjective these rules are right?

[Trynbreakme-ashkandi]

@Cauchy-heartseeker

methods not expressly authorized by Blizzard (whether accomplished using hardware, software, a combination thereof, or otherwise)

Where have they said discord premade creating is ok? show me the post please.

@Cauchy-heartseeker

influencing and/or facilitating gameplay, including exploits of any in-game bugs, and thereby granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods;

You’re fascilitating premades outside of the game itself via software thereby granting you and other users an advantage over other players not using the such methods. Horde that done use are those players.

[Cauchy-heartseeker]

@Jamama-fairbanks

You know there is a whole process to this.

It’s called reductive logic. People see the words “using Discord to…” and they truncate to “using Discord” and then they trigger themselves.

[Shunye-anathema]

Discord is not “3rd party software” because it has no effect on wow at all. It is affecting the player only. 3rd party software is defined as a program that has an affect on the game outside of the player, such as mods. Discord is completely independent of the game and thus not a third party to the game.

[Hammeryoface-durotan]

Horde would absolutely NEVER do something like this you are so delusional lmfao.

Way too many people to pull it off anyway.

[Jamama-fairbanks]

You don’t even know what a 3d party software is and you’re still arguing. You’re a prime example of a player with their head stuck up their butt.

[Rorshak-incendius]

Imagine having such a hissy that you’re losing that you consider voice chat cheating.

[Cauchy-heartseeker]

You sure you’re responding to/quoting the right person?

[Trynbreakme-ashkandi]

@Rorshak-incendius

Ok so using discord to find pugs for raids is also cheating then. By your own logic.

You are seriously reaching with this. Kudos for trying though.

[Fasc-atiesh]

@Trynbreakme-ashkandi

Blizz doesnt want people to premade

Queuing at the same time in the hopes you land in the same AV is not “premading”, so no, try again.

@Cauchy-heartseeker

You need to get over yourself. Seriously, man.

When you make claims that have no basis in reality, I can only assume you don’t get the argument or you just literally don’t care and want to hold fast to your biases and views regardless of what you’re told. I’d rather treat you as ignorant rather than malicious when you act like that.

@Cauchy-heartseeker

Universal quantifiers? Come on now…

Hyper literalism is a vice, not a virtue.

@Cauchy-heartseeker

You’re in denial.

This isn’t an argument, it is just you saying “nu uh”.

YOU STILL HAVEN’T IDENTIFIED A CHEAT
YOU STILL TRY TO DISTRACT AND DEFLECT WITH THIS ‘PLAY WITH FRIENDS’ NONSENSE

Focus. Identify the cheat.

@Jamama-fairbanks

There is literally a application process for you to get verified before getting into the AV premade

This is not against the EULA.

@Jamama-fairbanks

then there is a whole another process of joining the que at the same time when the leader calls it with hundreds of people

This is not against the EULA.

@Jamama-fairbanks

then moving into that AV channel with 20-30 people

This is not against the EULA.

Since none of these things are against the EULA, the chain of these events together cannot be against the EULA unless some bug manifests as a result. You didn’t identify any such bug so the totality of these events is not against the EULA.

@Cauchy-heartseeker

It’s called reductive logic.

No, it is called reading the clause in the contract you signed. With Discord not being inherently suspect, you have to find a combination with Discord that includes a suspect behavior to generate an overall method that is unauthorized. You haven’t done so.

[Rorshak-incendius]

That’s the whole point LOL. It’s a reach just as much as yours is. Thank you for agreeing with me and not even realizing

[Trynbreakme-ashkandi]

Yeah sorry about that, i was trying to quote your quote and i obviously messed it up.

[Socratus-sulfuras]

@Fasc-atiesh

This, this right here, is why no one takes you seriously.

i need to do AND OBJECTION @fasc everything you said give me the impression that you didt not see the actual discord so he as more information than you here.

wether the fact that its illegal legal i dont really care please proceed

[Shunye-anathema]

Says the guy who doesn’t know what mental gymnastics are

[Trynbreakme-ashkandi]

You are talking about something that isn’t in this discussion. This is about AV premades. You’re reaching outside the topic at hand.

[Jamama-fairbanks]

Not against the EULA?

Is that why Blizzard patched this in Classic when the same exact event happened? Man you guys are really really delusional I tell ya. Even if the past repeats itself infront of your eyes, you keep your head in the sand.

[Trynbreakme-ashkandi]

Exactly. Problem is ACTIVISION. The subs are more important then integrity. Problem is todays gaming its about money first, everything else falls into line behind it.

[Fasc-atiesh]

@Socratus-sulfuras

i need to do AND OBJECTION @fasc everything you said give me the impression that you didt not see the actual discord so he as more information than you here.

The Discord in question could literally say something horrendous like “ONLY WOMEN AND PEOPLE OF X RACE CAN JOIN” and it wouldn’t matter. It is an interesting fact with no bearing on the “cheat or not cheat” argument. Cauchy has to rely upon it as a distraction because otherwise he doesn’t have any actual facts to support his theory.

@Jamama-fairbanks

Is that why Blizzard patched this in Classic when the same exact event happened?

They didn’t. Nothing you just posted got patched out. Before the removal of BG numbers when you first could accept the queue, people could do exactly what is being done now. After that patch, people continued to do what is happening right now.

You’re not actually identifying what is against the EULA, you’re just vaguely waving it around like a talisman in the hopes it wards off any detractors.

[Jamama-fairbanks]

Now you’re claiming nothing got patched out, when the AV premades, especially their multitudes of discords filled with thousands of people died over night after the patch. You are truly delusional my friend, and even distorting the past to fit your narrative.