Was that warning issued by Blizzard or the players?
I can only speak for myself, but I have not problem with Blizzard handing our punishment.
I simply do not want the players to have the power to impose punishment.
Yah. It’s kind of disappointed after they keep saying they want to increase communication. It seems all that means to them is an extra Q&A every once in a while.
On the note of spam. I’m not entirely sure that the anti-spam filter stopped them. They generally flooded servers for a bit. There would be dozens of bots standing in the exact same spot spamming. You could often see them in Stormwind. The report spam basically would kill the account outright and they couldn’t just swap servers to continue the spam on a server that hasn’t /ignored them. So, I do see where Galdor is coming from and do agree that button definitely helped kill the spammers. A good “middle-ground” could possibly be that Classic has an anti-gold spammer button. While, a player could possibly abuse it on another player, since it’s purpose is so black and white, that player’s abuse could not be questioned. Where as, I feel like with the current system, an abuser could get away with it since things are so subjective with it. Like, the current system in the rules basically states that players can determine what behavior is appropriate.
It was from a GM. ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=6" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
I completely agree with the other stuff. But, I do also agree with Galdor with the gold spammers, as mentioned above. So, I don’t know!
This is not what I was talking about. The anti-spam function which prevents you from speaking in say general chat if you post to many things in general too quickly is what I was talking about. That prevents spam. The gold sellers were killed by the wow token.
Add an option to the right-click report for “Gold-seller” and remove the auto-squelch feature from all report options. Blizzard is going to review the ticket regardless, and if you can’t hear them anymore, what do you care if they keep digging that hole?
P.S. You as in a general you, not you as in someone specific.
If Blizzard added a “report gold selling” or “report gold sller spam” option to the right click report and tied the player imposed punishment ONLY to that option, I would find that acceptable, even if the number of reports required to squelch that gold seller was extremely low.
If Bobby and his friends decided to report Billy for “gold selling” or “gold seller spam” in order to try to squelch him, any GM reviewing those tickets should be able to see beyond a shadow of a doubt that Billy was not trying to sell gold and punish Bobby and his friends for their false reports.
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Personally, I would be fine with a right-click “Report illegal services” button that would auto-squelch under the same criteria as Modern WoW. The difference being, there would be a clear, defining purpose to the button and it would make it easy for GM’s to determine it the report function was abused.
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Wow, would you look at that! We can agree on something.
I know, we’ve made soooo much progress in the last few hours. It’s astounding.
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I’m scared.
Yah, in the first part that’s what I was talking about. The filter that stopped you from posting too many messages. The gold spammers would flood servers with so many characters that didn’t matter. As, they’d have dozens of characters posting their spam. Essentially, getting around that filter entirely.
True. I forgot there can be posts for things like character boosting and people advertising bots even.
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woot. now if they just read the thread and passed the idea on to the devs or whoever makes those decisions
Now, all we have to do is to convince Blizzard to adjust the right click report system for Classic.
Things that fall under the “Illegal services” might need to be clearly and definitively spelled out.
I’d hate to see Bobby and his friends try to squelch someone trying to use "advertising ‘carries for gold’ " because they couldn’t afford the price, for example.
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A good clear cut rule could be any service that involves the exchange of real-life currency. Is there any loopholes in that? I’m trying to think.
Maybe simply add “Or any roundabout ways involving real-life currency”?
I don’t know if there are any loopholes in that.
I can see someone trying to use “buying gold” to afford the gold price as “a roundabout involving real life currency” in order to try to justify their false reports, even though the party selling the carry never received any real life currency.
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I do believe, though, that any parties offering to sell carries for real money, or even asking people to join their discord to “discuss” the cost of a carry should fall under that illegal services umbrella.
After all, if they are selling carries for gold, there is no need to join the discord to “discuss the cost”, right?
Yah, that would probably be fine. Just having people discuss the prices in-game. People selling carries could just put the price in the post, too. If they are concerned of getting reported. I mean, I’m not quite sure why the price would vary. Unless there was loot a raid member wanted or something. But, I’ve never involved myself with that whole community. So, I have no idea how it all works.
come on now, that makes too much sense to actually happen and you know it:O)
Ok couple of things here:
- I never said you implied that they would not face review/punishment from a GM. You’re putting words in my mouth.
- The report featured does place them on ignore. Whether temporary or permanent, I cannot say.
- Blues have said that players should not be forced to have to reactively use Ignore or Mature Language Filter to deal with people who cannot abide by the legal document they sign every so often.
It’s not “a group”. It’s a large number of players. More than 60 considering Orlyia once told a person who was complaining about receiving a Silence from a GM that 62 people reported their comments. They did not get squelched.
Because a Squelch is not a form of punishment. You might view it as such but Blizzard does not. Squelching is a defensive feature on the server. Nothing more.
If you want a real-world analogy, say a store is robbed. One person says you did it. Police will investigate and either the surveillance tape will show you robbed the store, resulting in your conviction, or it was someone else, and nothing happens.
Now say 100 people accuse you. The police come and take you into custody and question you. One of two things will happen: You will be formally arrested and charged or the police will let you go.
If you’re formally cleared, then your criminal record does not get a mark on it. Just like if you’re squelched and do not receive a Silence.
The problem you folks are completely hysterical and underestimating the amount of effort it actually takes to coordinate a group of people large enough to report someone and get them squelched. Especially since you can do NOTHING in game either voice or chat because Blizzard does have access to that. And I know for a fact they can go back at least 6 months in your chat history. Probably even longer considering I also know that they can see things like your account’s entire gold history, etc.
To put it bluntly, you’re barely worth the effort it takes for me to right click and report let alone put forth that much effort.
And that knowledge is incorrect. As was point out to you, the Report/Squelch system was put into the game on May 22nd, 2007. Making it almost 12 years ago.
And I stated, the actual punishment is handled by a GM and only a GM. They have to review the report in order for a Silence to go into effect.
It’s worked fine for almost 12 years now…
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Huh, the constant generally belligerent tone and incomprehension of any perspective other than his own, and now giving someone he doesn’t like an (Insult) Name nickname…
…I didn’t realize the President posted here!
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I said report them for their behavior. You said blues have said “ignores and mature language filters are not an excuse to behave badly.” You’re right, but you’re coming off as implying as I said those people shouldn’t be punished.
Group - noun
- two or more figures forming a complete unit in a composition
- a number of individuals assembled together or having some unifying relationship
I would link you to the dictionary site but I can’t post links apparently.
See this is about where your analogy breaks down. The police only investigate the crime and charge the person they believe is responsible. Then a jury of said person’s peers decides if they’re guilty or not.
This analogy would be like blizzard taking every “rule breaker” to trial and letting the player base decide whether or not they are guilty.
You don’t even know how many people it takes, so get off your high horse about “hysterics.” I’ve said before, I don’t care if it takes the whole server, players should not be able to punish other players.
Did you have a point here?
Yes, this was answered already in the thread.
A squelch is a player imposed punishment regardless of what you want to try to say. A group of players, whether through coordinated effort or random chance reports a single player enough and that player can no longer speak in game. That is a punishment.
Again, you have no evidence that it’s never been abused and none of us will ever have evidence to prove it one way or the other, because Blizzard will never tell us that. That it can be abused is all the reason it needs to be removed.
Please cite where someone made such a claim.