Blizzard can ban you for whatever they want. Blizzard has had to take multiple Gold Selling companies to court in the past, I’m not your research and facts mule; do some of that yourself for once.
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Thank you for your explanation.
The flaw in your thinking, though, is that those gold selling companies still exist, despite those “millions of dollars in court fees”.
Gold selling companies still exist with a player imposed punishment system. Imagine that.
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The thing is handling the gold selling in and of itself is not the issue. That’s a strawman you’re constructing which is easily torched. [/quote]
I wasn’t the one who brought up the gold sellers in the first place, but by all means, lay that “strawman” at my feet like it was mine.
I’m sorry but no. Even with gold seller spam, the channels are still quite usable. It’s at worst, a momentary annoyance, during which you report and ignore them. Then you no longer have to listen to them.
As for the jerk off spouting the “n-word”, you report them for spouting the “n-word” and place them on ignore and move on with your day. I agree with you, it’s a vulgar word that doesn’t need to be used in polite society today. That said, I don’t care how vulgar they are, players should not be able to punish them.
The difference is there are actually legitimate reasons for the vote-kick in dungeons to exist. I don’t agree with the people who abuse it in the slightest, but there is a legitimate reason for it to exist.
The only reason for an auto-squelch to exist is so blizz can be lazy and a certain group of players can feel empowered. When you report someone they already get automatically ignored by you. What possible reason could you need for being able to get a group of “who cares how big the number is” players and get them squelched? Pretty sure you don’t have a legitimate reason for it.
I do love that you seem to be in favor of a system that when abused will make it harder for someone to do anything or enjoy the game. At least when the vote-kick system is abused, all it does is cost the person who was kicked time, it doesn’t make it far more difficult to get into a dungeon group doing the dungeon they need to do, like an auto-squelch would do.
And before you guys go off on well “just join a guild or some discord.” That doesn’t work for everyone. Not everyone wants to be part of a guild or join some discord full of people they don’t know.
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You do realize I was talking about the entire “no changes vs pro changes” thing right? Not this little microcosm? You know, using the context of the post I (partially) quoted and then the context of my own post would have helped with that.
Regarding auto-squelch specifically? The whole conversation is pointless because Blizz isn’t going to remove it. It doesn’t matter if it’s good or bad, since it’s been their system for years so why would they bother? Because a fringe group of players don’t like it? The only way it’ll change or get removed is if it costs less to do so or if it somehow makes them money.
How about you show some proof? You saying it happened like it did means literally nothing on the internet. Go find the thread and link it for us, perhaps?
Hate to break it to you champ, but both sides do the same garbage. It’s not just “pro changers trolling”; take a look at the same tired posts by the raging “no changers” and you’ll see the exact same pattern. Curb the faux outrage.
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Let’s see:
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Player A says ‘X’ in trade chat.
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Player A gets reported by (unknown #) of other players.
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Player A gets auto-squelched.
Can auto-squelch (punishment) happen if ‘X’ is against ToS/CoC?
Can auto-squelch (punishment) happen if ‘X’ is NOT against ToS/CoC?
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It’s funny to me there are people that think that previous to this system being updated, people just got away with being bad in chat. You guys do know that you could submit reports pre-Legion, right? If someone said naughty things in chat, etc. In fact, I actually think back in Vanilla or TBC I did get a warning for swearing. haha
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Many people have said that it isn’t. I’m not sure you’d be willing, I sure as heck wouldn’t be, but if you read through that 3000 reply post, you’ll find them. Posts saying the thing was/is never abused.
And I don’t know. I guess if you want to see it like that. Do you consider the vote to kick system automated?
Please…
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Your are not wrong but that isn’t to say you are right either. Blizzard has cracked down a lot harder in recent years then before as online culture has changed.
No. They’re both World of Warcraft. Same game. Just as the system has been the same since the first parts of it were introduced in BC/Wrath. Other than additions over time, the system has not changed. The squelch was one of the first things added back then.
And, in case you’ve forgotten, Classic will have the exact same backend systems as Retail. The only difference will be the content presented to us on the front end.
And, as I have said numerous times and you selectively ignore, that makes it a fantastic incentive to not be a jerk. I suggest you follow that advice.
And GMs still look into mass reports now as they did then. The only difference now is that the servers have a defense mechanism when the community decides an account is being problematic either through spam, harassment, language, etc. and removes that problem until a GM answers the priority ticket.
Because no player can legally sue them. We signed that right away. See, in the End User License Agreement, which we agree to every time we install the game or a patch is sent by Blizzard, contains a clause that any disputes we, the licensees, have with Blizzard must be done in accordance with their Dispute Resolution Policy. The DRP contains a Binding Arbitration clause that states:
If a Dispute cannot be resolved through negotiations, either you or Blizzard may elect to have the Dispute (except as set forth in Section 5 below) finally and exclusively resolved by binding arbitration. Any election to arbitrate by one party shall be final and binding on the other. You should review this provision carefully. This arbitration provision limits your and Blizzard’s ability to litigate claims in court and you and Blizzard each agree to waive your respective rights to a jury trial.
And that has the force of the US Supreme Court behind it seeing as they set the precedent in AT&T Mobility vs Concepcion.
Gold sellers were the primary target when the system was introduced over a decade ago.
Except multiple Blizzard employees have said, numerous times, that Ignore/Mature Language filter does not provide cover for that behavior.
As are legitmate reasons to squelch someone. Are you really that scared?
You conveniently forget that THIS. SYSTEM. HAS. BEEN. IN. PLACE. SINCE. BEFORE. CATACLYSM. It’s not new. It has a track record of a decade or so. Obviously the possibility of rampant abuse is a figment of your imagination.
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Vrakthis has already stated all bans must have a live, human being employed by Blizzard to put a ban into effect. Quit lying.
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This has nothing to do with me “creating a strawman” does it? Someone else brought up goldsellers, but you’re trying to say I made that strawman.
Please show me where I said, said person shouldn’t be punished. I said, report them, ignore them, and move on with your day. You as a player shouldn’t be able to squelch people. A group of players shouldn’t be able to squelch people.
Name a legitimate reason why you as a player or a group of players should be able to punish other players. You aren’t blizzard employees. Blizzard hasn’t hired you to report people to them. Report them, and put them on ignore. Everyone they are bothering can also report them and put them on ignore. Then none of you have to hear them anymore and Blizzard can punish them when they can, if a punishment is warranted.
No I don’t conveniently forget anything. I am well aware right-click reporting has been around a long time. To my knowledge the player based auto-squelch from being mass flagged is relatively recent. Even if you can provide evidence otherwise, I only heard about it recently, because I don’t hang on Blizzard’s every word and don’t do things to get me in trouble with Blizzard or associate with those whom do.
Even if the auto-squelch was added when right-click reporting was added, I am still against it. Players should not be allowed to punish other players. Simple as that. It doesn’t matter if it takes an entire server full of people to get 1 person squelched, PLAYERS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PUNISH OTHER PLAYERS.
And your so called “track record” of it never being abused is laughable. Blizzard isn’t going to come out and say “Yes, X number of players were wrongly abused with this system.” The lack of evidence of it happening, is not evidence that it doesn’t happen.
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It’s been in the game since 2007.
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Prove it. I can claim the sky is orange all day, doesn’t make it true.
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Okay, fair enough. But as I said, I don’t agree with it. I don’t care how many players it takes to get 1 person squelched, players should not be able to punish other players.
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That’s fine, that’s an opinion. Now, convince Blizzard there’s an alternative, viable solution to all the problems that they solved with the auto-squelch. You don’t need to convince me; you need to convince Blizzard.
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i’m willing to pay a higher sub fee so we can have actual gms. 
how’s that?
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I’m not sure. Maybe they have. The silence system certainly shows they want to have stronger penalties for it. But, I don’t know if that means they are investigating reports on language more than they were before. The only thing this system could have possibly increased is the amount of players willing to report players since it’s a simple click instead of actually having to click submit report and type out the dudes name and stuff.
Well, all that can be said has really been said. Maybe. I’d assume so in the thousands of posts this topic has created. The problem with trying to convince Blizzard is that there’s no dialog from them to us in this topic. I may as well shout at a wall.
There is a point here. Blizzard has gotten notorious recently for not listening to players.
But anyway, there is already an anti-spam system in place in the game. If you post too many messages to quickly in a public channel you are blocked from posting in that channel for a period of time. So that’s the spam issue.
As for the players doing and saying bad things, the solution is simple. Report them, ignore them, and move on with your day. Blizzard is already going to be looking at the report anyway, and the report already puts them on ignore for you. Why do you feel they need to be squelched? All squelching them is doing is preventing someone, whom you can’t even see talking anymore, from talking.
P.S. If they’re saying vile things already, let them keep going. Let them dig that grave deeper and work towards an actual substantial ban. Why stop bad people from getting worse punishments for being bad people?
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