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[Fesz-cenarius]

@Malfosa-whisperwind

@Fesz-cenarius

TWO PEOPLE are “multiple people”.

So are 2,000.

You are correct. Now, do you know on which on of that spectrum the number of reports required to trigger a squelch falls?

I do not.

@Malfosa-whisperwind

@Fesz-cenarius

Those multiple people could be as few as 5.

Could also be as few as 500 too. But that number does not fit your fear mongering agenda designed to get Blizzard to remove a backend tool that has been quite successful in removing undesirables from servers for over ten years now.

Admitting that the number could be as low as 5 does not fit your agenda to see players given the ability to conspire to squelch any other player at any time for every little slight they think they had to suffer.

For the record, I would not be as opposed to a player imposed punishment IF the umber of reports required to trigger a squelch was 100.

@Malfosa-whisperwind

@Fesz-cenarius

Provide official Blizzard proof of this claim.

Ask and you shall receive

In other words, you cannot substantiate this claim.

You have no proof of this claim and are speaking out of your posterior. Got it.

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

I guess you have not been paying attention. A single individual cannot and does not have that power… unless they’re a GM hired by Blizzard who is governed by rules and policies and checked/balanced by a secondary appeals process.

Sure, I can report you for something and you can be silenced as a result, but that’s because the aforementioned GM

You also make the assumption that you’re worth anyone’s time to mass coordinate a large scale reporting. I hate to break it to you, not really, but you’re flattering yourself if you think you’re that important that someone would put in all the work just to “get you”.

Hello. I would like to introduce you to something called “Mob Mentality.” If you would like to see how Mob Mentality works, please report to your local twitter page and find the latest controversy.

It goes like this.
Person 1 says something.
Person 2 doesn’t like what was said.
Person 2 says what Person 1 said was (insert ****ist here).
30 people agree with Person 2 and all report Person 1.
Person 1 is now squelched because Person 2 didn’t like what Person 1 said.

Also, I never thought anyone was ever out to get me. That implies that I ever thought I would say something that was going to get a host of people to report me. 95% of my interactions in WoW are always in private channels.

[Mini-firetree (Mini)]

In other words, you cannot substantiate this claim.

You have no proof of this claim and are speaking out of your posterior. Got it.
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Did you read some of the examples in the page, specifically the kangaroos?

I feel as though because there was no adult male kangaroo in your backseat you have concluded that no adult male kangaroos exist.

[Malfosa-whisperwind]

well if there was no freedom of speech in wow, no one would be able to use game chat without getting into…oh my…trouble.

No. You just follow the Code of Conduct and you’re fine. GMs won’t sanction you until you give them a reason to. Quit fear mongering.

before, it was the wild west. i’d login and travel to sw, only to be met with gold spam, windseeker spam, jokes using ingame items to refer to various types of sexual activity, arguments about politics, and people selling goods and services

All of which is easier to clean up thanks to the right-click report system. And if enough accounts report a person, they’re squelched and a GM gets a priority ticket to review them.

Now, do you know on which on of that spectrum the number of reports required to trigger a squelch falls?

I do not.

Nope. But I do know this is about the eleventh time I have had to remind you that Blizzard has not and will NEVER disclose a number or even a range of numbers.

Admitting that the number could be as low as 5 does not fit your agenda to see players given the ability to conspire to squelch any other player at any time for every little slight they think they had to suffer.

Funny thing is that this was NEVER an issue back when the system was implemented in Cataclysm. But suddenly it became an issue during Legion. The system never changed…

Hello. I would like to introduce you to something called “Mob Mentality.”

Hi Mob Mentality. Meet my friend… REALITY.

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

Yo, I specifically stated the Ruth’s Chris maître d’ podium. What part of that wasn’t clear?

Yo

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

REALITY.

action–>reaction—>action—>reaction–>action–>infinity
you’re in there more than once.

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

… A parent brings their kids to the store… and they’re talking and grabbing things is disruptive to the other people in the store. Well that’s shockingly subjective. Kids will be kids, and adults talk when shopping too. It’s also not up to the other shoppers to punish the kids or the parent, it’s up to the store to do that, if they’ve done something they shouldn’t be doing. If you think they’ve done something, you should report them, but 20 of you shouldn’t be allowed to kick them out of the store or punish them for “disrupting” you.

Why shouldn’t 20 people (or whatever mysterious number) have that power when your disruption is literally effecting every single person in that public channel? At least in a store you may not be nearby those out of control children. But when in a public channel, the children being disruptive are right there in front of you, or in the case of the rappers at Ruth’s Chris, on either side of the maître d’ podium while you are attempting to be seated or make reservations.

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

These analogies are terrible and not even close to being similar.

No, you see squelching someone in a public channel is exactly like physically assaulting someone and witch burnings, stonings, wars, etc.
/s

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

More people doesn’t make your opinions less subjective. Just because 50 people think it’s disruptive doesn’t mean 50 other people don’t. What makes the 50 who think it’s disruptive more right then the 50 who don’t?

[Malfosa-whisperwind]

action–>reaction—>action—>reaction–>action–>infinity
you’re in there more than once.

I guess you’re also friends with paranoia.

Paranoia is an instinct or thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of delusion and irrationality. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself (e.g. the American colloquial phrase, “Everyone is out to get me”).

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

No one person can silence a player, unless that one person is a GM.
Eventually this will sink in.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

so people who act on reality shouldnt expect a reaction? basic physics lol

[Malfosa-whisperwind]

Just because 50 people think it’s disruptive doesn’t mean 50 other people don’t. What makes the 50 who think it’s disruptive more right then the 50 who don’t?

Then petition Blizzard to add “Not Spam”, “Good Language”, “Good Name”, etc. to the report menu so those 50 imaginary people can vote in oyur favor that they are not offended.

Or just let the system work like it has for over a decade.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

Funny thing is that this was NEVER an issue back when the system was implemented in Cataclysm. But suddenly it became an issue during Legion. The system never changed…

The system was implemented way before Cataclysm

[Malfosa-whisperwind]

The system was implemented way before Cataclysm

It came in stages

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

using freedom of speech to silence other people’s freedom of speech, is CD disease.

Knowing what the 1st amendment means should be a requirement to have children.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Now, do you know on which on of that spectrum the number of reports required to trigger a squelch falls?

I do not.

Nope. But I do know this is about the eleventh time I have had to remind you that Blizzard has not and will NEVER disclose a number or even a range of numbers.

Yet you consistently try to paint the number of reports required to trigger a squelch as some huge number, when the truth is that it could be as few as 5 or less.

Admitting that the number could be as low as 5 does not fit your agenda to see players given the ability to conspire to squelch any other player at any time for every little slight they think they had to suffer.

Funny thing is that this was NEVER an issue back when the system was implemented in Cataclysm. But suddenly it became an issue during Legion. The system never changed…

The system DID change with the legion pre-patch, though.

You also continue to ignore the two vastly different environments between Retail and Classic.

Things like cross realm, LFG, LFD, LFR, sharding, etc. have a huge impact on the effect of a squelch.

Classic will (hopefully) not have any of those and the effects of a squelch will be far more drastic.

Even though a squelch in retail is not as drastic as it will be in Classic, the auto squelch is still being abused in retail, though.

And we’re just supposed to believe that a system that is already being abused in retail where the effects of a squelch are almost meaningless will not be more extensively abused in an environment in which the effects of a squelch are almost game breaking?

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

Yeah, the auto-squelch system was implemented before Cataclysm and the silence penalty system was implemented in the Legion pre-patch.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

10 people like you. 10 people dont.
the 10 that like you, dont want you squelched, but cant help you because the squelch was automated and they werent allowed to vote on it.
the 10 that don’t like you, want you squelched and achieve their goal, regardless of whether others like you or not.

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

No one person can silence a player, unless that one person is a GM.
Eventually this will sink in.

A group of players should not be allowed to punish other players just because they don’t like something someone said.
Eventually … oh who am I kidding, I could beat you to death with this and it still wouldn’t be enough…

Or just let the system work like it has for over a decade.

The system has not had an auto punish feature to it for a decade. If it was just “right-click>report>auto ignore” I’d have no issue with it. Your ignore doesn’t prevent other people for speaking just because you and a whole group of other people didn’t like what they said.