There's people like this

[Cybaster-cenarion-circle]

The whole lot of you are so easily manipulated. It distresses me.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

Should those other customers be given the power to beat that parent into submission for doing something they do not like?

Should those other customers be give the power to pick up that parent and literally throw them out of the store?

Why would you expect to be given that power in a video game?

These analogies are terrible and not even close to being similar.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

They don’t have that many. [Sorry ].

explain witch burnings, stonings, wars, etc? normal behavior? no infectious sociopathy ?

[Rabidabidoo-altar-of-storms]

@Fesz. I pretty much agree and understand your position. It really baffles me how others cannot. I just wanted you to know that I support your position.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

i took my kids to the grocery one day. they were all in the cart. they were laughing and pointing at things and a woman rolled by telling me to get my kids under control. so i said:

“now children, please refrain from behaving like children.”

they looked at me funny as if to say…. what did she just say? mom is weird. and then went back to laughing and pointing at things.

kids are great. they teach you patience.

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

I know. I have 3.

[Malfosa-whisperwind]

@Fesz-cenarius

I do not expect to be silenced for something Blizzard has repeatedly stated is NOT a violation, though.

Have you ever bothered to read the Code of Conduct you agreed to abide by every time you install the game or a patch is released by Blizzard? It’s not an exhaustive list. Like the number of reports it takes, Blizzard will never disclose a full list simply because people like you will try to play Rules Lawyer with them on something when you’re silenced.

@Hypêrspace-dalaran

explain witch burnings, stonings, wars, etc? normal behavior? no infectious sociopathy ?

Here you go

[Malfosa-whisperwind]

And why should a mob of people have any more right to force someone to shut up based on their subjective opinion then one person? More people offended doesn’t make the reason they were offended any less subjective.

So I guess you don’t like a community-based game. Why are you even here then?

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

hmm well it has several points in common: mob behavior (meaning popular enough vote to result in the agreed upon punishment), generated by people enthralled by the idea that punishing someone for something you dont like, is okay provided you have sufficient numbers.

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

You’re the one asking to be able to silence people for saying things you don’t like.

[Carespanker-skullcrusher]

kids are great. they teach you patience.

Kids would be kinder than all these old dudes,
they would prob find squelching pretty rude.

All they old people want is to get away,
from what all the fortnite kids have to say.

Doesn’t make it right for them to hand out bans,
but they will still do it anyway all because they can.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

using freedom of speech to silence other people’s freedom of speech, is CD disease.

[Fesz-cenarius]

@Malfosa-whisperwind

@Fesz-cenarius

Blizzard has repeatedly stated specifically that the use of /trade for chat not related to trade is NOT a violation.

But spamming and disrupting the channel ARE violations regardless of content.

Disruption / Harassment: Engage in any conduct intended to disrupt or diminish the game experience for other players, or disrupt operation of Blizzard’s Platform in any way, including:

Disrupting or assisting in the disruption of any computer used to support the Platform or any Game environment. ANY ATTEMPT BY YOU TO DISRUPT THE PLATFORM OR UNDERMINE THE LEGITIMATE OPERATION OF ANY GAME MAY BE A VIOLATION OF CRIMINAL AND CIVIL LAWS.

Harassment, “griefing,” abusive behavior or chat, conduct intended to unreasonably undermine or disrupt the Game experiences of others, deliberate inactivity or disconnecting, and/or any other activity which violates Blizzard’s Code of Conduct or In-Game Policies.

Blizzard End User License Agreement Section C, Clause XI.

@Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord

This whole system is based on the subjectivity of the people around you. If what someone said isn’t against the ToS, why should your offense taken from it, trump their right to say it?

But it’s not just my taking offense at it. It’s multiple people taking offense at it to trigger a squelch. To actually get you punished, a GM will have to concur with the reports and rule that you violated the code of conduct.

TWO PEOPLE are “multiple people”. I’m not saying the number of reprts required is only 2, but “multiple people” is not necessarily some huge number, either.

Those multiple people could be as few as 5. WE DO NOT KNOW how many reports are required to trigger a squelch.

Second, good luck proving that Johnny is having that conversation with Billy and Timmy in /trade with the intent to disrupt the game.

@Malfosa-whisperwind

@Fesz-cenarius

But it possible that as few as 5 or 10 can squelch a player.

No, it’s not. It might have been at one time but it would have been so easily abused Blizzard would have stepped in and raised the threshold anyways.

You’re implying the developers are stupid. Really quite rude actually.

Source?

Provide official Blizzard proof of this claim.

[Fesz-cenarius]

@Fesz. I pretty much agree and understand your position. It really baffles me how others cannot. I just wanted you to know that I support your position.

Thank you for the support.

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

What did I twist or take out of context? Your solution to the problem of being squelched was “just use discord”. Which leads to the next logical step of “Well just use discord for everything and you can’t be squelched for any reason.”

OK, and?
It is akin to the advice that you can say whatever you wish in a player created global channel.

[Fesz-cenarius]

I do not expect to be silenced for something Blizzard has repeatedly stated is NOT a violation, though.

Have you ever bothered to read the Code of Conduct you agreed to abide by every time you install the game or a patch is released by Blizzard? It’s not an exhaustive list. Like the number of reports it takes, Blizzard will never disclose a full list simply because people like you will try to play Rules Lawyer with them on something when you’re silenced.

First, I have never been squelched or silenced. I have never been suspended.

I did read the TOS, the EULA and the CoC.

I have also read Blizzard’s multiple statements that using /trade for things other than chat related to trade is NOT a violation.

I’m not the one that thinks their personal opinion trumps Blizzard’s statements and policies.

[Malfosa-whisperwind]

@Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord

You’re the one asking to be able to silence people for saying things you don’t like.

I guess you have not been paying attention. A single individual cannot and does not have that power… unless they’re a GM hired by Blizzard who is governed by rules and policies and checked/balanced by a secondary appeals process.

Sure, I can report you for something and you can be silenced as a result, but that’s because the aforementioned GM

You also make the assumption that you’re worth anyone’s time to mass coordinate a large scale reporting. I hate to break it to you, not really, but you’re flattering yourself if you think you’re that important that someone would put in all the work just to “get you”.

@Hypêrspace-dalaran

using freedom of speech to silence other people’s freedom of speech, is CD disease.

Blizzard is an agent of the US Government? When did that happen? Oh yeah, it didn’t. Freedom of Speech does not exist on private property.

@Fesz-cenarius

TWO PEOPLE are “multiple people”.

So are 2,000.

@Fesz-cenarius

Those multiple people could be as few as 5.

Could also be as few as 500 too. But that number does not fit your fear mongering agenda designed to get Blizzard to remove a backend tool that has been quite successful in removing undesirables from servers for over ten years now.

@Fesz-cenarius

Provide official Blizzard proof of this claim.

Ask and you shall receive

[Mini-firetree (Mini)]

Heres whats going to happen.

Person A Trade Chat: Blah Blah Blah

Person B: Reports person A for “misuse of chat channels”

Person A: Nothing Happens

Person B Trade Chat: RANT!RANT!RANT!!!

Person B: Now reported/squelched and unable to recognize the irony.

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

Yes, but a conversation in private channels and discord servers can’t been seen by random Joe Schumkatelie in a public channel. So if I only ever speak in private channels I never get to meet new people and engage with new ideas or ways of thinking.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

Blizzard is an agent of the US Government? When did that happen? Oh yeah, it didn’t. Freedom of Speech does not exist on private property.

well if there was no freedom of speech in wow, no one would be able to use game chat without getting into…oh my…trouble. before, it was the wild west. i’d login and travel to sw, only to be met with gold spam, windseeker spam, jokes using ingame items to refer to various types of sexual activity, arguments about politics, and people selling goods and services. my first thoughts would be, oh look, 100 runecloth for 10 gold! not, oh look, i must silence these people. lol