the point is that dual spec makes changing specs easier (right? this is the whole point of dual spec), so therefore, hybrids will be expected to change specs FAR MORE OFTEN than now. this is indisputable logic.
This doesn’t follow.
One cannot simply change specs for most hybrids and be done with it, as they need specific gear that isn’t related to the gear they were using prior. A Feral Druid cannot be an effective Healer by keeping their AGI/STR Leather gear equipped while they swap to a Resto spec.
Any guild in which people are already maintaining multiple sets of gear would be able to do things easier, but it doesn’t follow that people who aren’t already doing this are going to suddenly start when they lack the means to do so.
so they keep their healing set in their bags, it takes like what 10 slots? are you poor on inventory space? lol
i mean this is what’s happening now. in case you weren’t aware
What healing set? How does dual spec suddenly guarantee I have a healing set?
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You’re just not paying attention to what is being posted or lack the reading ability to understand. Most of the people want dual spec so they can go out in the world and farm. It’s painfully not fun to some tanking or healing specs to do it.
The overwhelming 99.9% majority of guild do not have hybrids respec mid-raid. There are 2 major barriers; one being having to go back and visit a trainer, the other being virtually no guild is unreasonable enough to demand a player spend 50g to do so.
A traditional dual spec setup would remove both barriers. A trainer-based system would still remove one. I dont even play a hybrid class and I would absolutely hate seeing a meta like that developing, and pretending it woudnt is naive after how minmax-y we saw a huge chunk of classic become in vanilla.
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these people tend to have no experience in raiding guilds, so they don’t really get it sadly. their ‘knowledge’ is based on watching streamers.
These barriers are explicitly minor in comparison to the third barrier you did not mention: gear requirements.
If my guild required I respec Restoration tomorrow, I could very easily do so, but I would be next to useless doing so because I do not have even half of a semi-competent Restoration set of gear. I haven’t taken any raid gear as we have gotten precious few tier tokens or Healing drops.
So as I said, anyone that is already maintaining a 2nd spec and is supported by the same raid forcing a respec is going to do it with or without Dual Spec.
The bottleneck is gear, not desire.
We can play if you want. You post on your Retail toon, I’ll post on mine, and we can compare progression achievements and feats of strength…
Ironically, you just added another reason to not have dual spec; Dual spec would mean all unwanted loot for mains would get siphoned off to hybrids for offspecs in case they need to change spec for an encounter… which means much less gear getting sharded, thus fewer enchanting mats for the new guild banks.
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…are you even playing in TBCC? Notice how Void Crystals are especially cheaper than Prismatic Shards?
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I cant afford them, bc i spend 72,000g per hour on respecs.
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Now you’re just being silly
True, but so is pretending to be unable to farm enough gold to respec a few times a week.
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I don’t want Dual Spec to save money. I want Dual Spec to be costly to buy (5k or more) and be a luxury addition to the game.
Sounds like you need to reroll then, not respec.
There is one reason… It hurts the elitist crybaby’s feelings.
Oh wait… Yet another reason for us to have dual spec!
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it’s actually baffling how the argument is that hybrids would have to respec. What happened in Wrath? Did hybrids all of the sudden hate their lives? You argue against it with such a stupid small reason yet ignore the 20 other things it helps fix that are ACTUALLY PROBLEMS with TBCC currently.
Arena essentially has 2 barriers currently. Teams, and respecs. Nobody wants to respec to pvp and then respec back to pve. I have 5 70s currently, 4 of them are for arena, and the other I both raid and arena. I cannot afford to respec my other characters to do content outside of arena if i want to enjoy those classes in arena. the Opposite also holds true.
Dungeons have a severe lack of tanks and healers especially on backwater servers. There have been mass exoduses from the small servers all to the larger servers which dual spec could have alleviated before this even happened. That damage is done but Dual spec still helps the tank/healer situation that is also compounded by the fact that 25 mans need 2 tanks, 5-6 healers vs 5 mans needing 1 tank for every group. As raids progress to strictly 25 mans in later phases, this issue only gets worse.
Your only argument so far is that hybrids would have to respec. This already currently happens but is much more planned out. If a raid is short a healer, a shaman might go healing. High end guilds however already have the compositions they are going with throughout the raid tiers. If for whatever reason the raids fail to kill a certain boss and progression is actually happening, people ALREADY make others respec or BENCH them for a more optimal character for the boss. I don’t know who is really progressing right now, maybe that changes with ssc/tk. We’ll see
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IMO this is the only real argument against dual spec, and personally its the only reason I’m against it. Adding in dual spec will undoubtedly cause end game raid progression and the weeks after progression to be quicker – therefore easier. Having the ability to morph your raid into the most optimal composition from boss to boss is a massive advantage, and if you think that guilds aren’t going to take advantage of this you’re mistaken.
While yes it’s currently possible to port players out and have them respec before summoning them back, the time involved in doing that makes it something that’s only done when absolutely necessary. With dual spec in the game that process is removed, allowing raids to swap around and morph as much as they like.
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You completely miss the fact that you have to respec in Major cities. No Halfway decent raid is going to ‘morph’ their raid from boss to boss. If there is a certain very challenging boss that might make life easier then yes, but that will HAPPEN anyways once bosses get challenging.
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If you are required to go back to major cities to respec then that’s fine with me, the way I remember DS was being able to freely swap between two specs at any time/place.