The Winter Queen and Elune

[Micâh-moon-guard]

@Teitan-destromath

Read again that to see who are these intelligent beings. That is from a link from one of your replies.

Fair enough. My bad. Should pay more attention to things I quote

[Baifeng-illidan]

LMAO!!!

All this debate, all of you adamant that Eonar and the Winter Queen are sisters, only to be undone by 9.1, cementing that, in fact, Elune and the Winter Queen are sisters XD

[Baifeng-illidan]

@Lore-herod

Didn’t bother reading since I am already going to assume the mistake that was made.

No, Elune and the Winter Queen are not sisters. It’s Eonar that is her (Winter Queen) sister.

Eonar is who empowered Ysera. Eonar is who chose Ysera to become the Green Dragon Aspect. Eonar is also hinted at further by the legendary you get from the Night Fae.

This aged like fine milk.

[Meninoaron-moon-guard]

Which is terribly disappointing, really.

I have no interest in what they are doing with Elune anymore. She seems underwhelming as a character now. And the whole mythology about her image used to be my favorite thing in the lore.

[Zyminus-thrall (Zyminus)]

@Zyminus-thrall

I’m honestly pretty baffled about people assuming Eonar has involvement here. Yeah, Eonar’s power made Ysera into an aspect, but that’s pretty much the extent of their connection. It’s a big one, but it’s pretty impersonal.

Whereas Nightsong, the night elf theme, is blaring while the Winter Queen basically performs Elune’s blessing in reverse, complete with star imagery. What about these narrative themes makes the conclusion Eonar?

Hey, so what level of smugness should I be entitled to now?

[Raselle-kargath (Raselle)]

I mean…the song part was fairly irrelevant. Nightsong plays during Ysera’s revival in Ardenweald because it played at her death, and it played at Ysera’s death because the location of her death was the night elf Temple of Elune and at the hands of the night elves.

It was playing in Val’sharah to thematically emphasize the night elves mourning that they’d been forced to kill her, then again in Ardenweald to hearken back to that death as it was reversed.

If some hypothetical redeemed Arthas were brought back to life by the Light, and they played the song from his death scene in WotLK, I wouldn’t assume that means the Light is now secretly connected to the Scourge. I’d logically see that they’re playing a song connected to him, hearkening back to his death as it was being undone.

[Micâh-moon-guard]

I’m just glad I and others, who called it with Elune being the Winter Queens sisters were proven right.

And to think some people actually tried to use the Eonar legendary you can buy in Ardenweald as proof it was anyone but Elune

[Raselle-kargath (Raselle)]

@Micâh-moon-guard

And to think some people actually tried to use the Eonar legendary you can buy in Ardenweald as proof it was anyone but Elune

In fairness the titan-named Legendaries seem really weirdly out of place, so it’s hardly surprising that one might conclude there’s some sort of as-yet unrevealed significance to them being sold by those particular Covenants.

In that same vein if the Kyrians inexplicably sold an item named for an Old God or Prime Naaru or some other cosmologically significant entity not of the Shadowlands, it would certainly raise the same sort of questions about what they’re trying to suggest with it.

[Zyminus-thrall (Zyminus)]

@Raselle-kargath

I mean…the song part was fairly irrelevant. Nightsong plays during Ysera’s revival in Ardenweald because it played at her death, and it played at Ysera’s death because the location of her death was the night elf Temple of Elune and at the hands of the night elves.

You know, I had entirely forgotten that it had been a part of Ysera’s death cinematic, but upon a rewatch, that’s a valid point. It was rather like Elune literally packaged Ysera in stars and shipped her off to the Winter Queen like some sort of weird deity-based Amazon.

With all the imagery and reversed constellation-ing plus the quintessential night elf theme, it still seemed just as valid as ‘Eonar has an item on a vendor’ though.

[Smallioz-kromcrush]

What if Ysera is the adopted daughter of Elune?

[Lightsongs-proudmoore]

It also can prove that many people didn’t think Elune being WQ’s sister is a desirable outcome in wow lore.

[Arlifrex-moon-guard (Arlifrex)]

How do you people necro these things?

[Kaileath-wyrmrest-accord]

They found it in the maw and drug it right back out.

[Erriden-moon-guard]

@Erriden-moon-guard

Very very late to this one buuuuut since you referenced this legendary, did you know that in revendreth you get a legendary named after the Titan Norgannon? The memory of Norgannon is what it’s called by the way. By your logic does that make him Denathrius’ brother? Even though Titans are born in the great dark within planets, that they champion the cosmic forces of arcane and order and order the cosmos.

More than likely they’ll make up a random life lands being to be the WQs sister, but Eonar isn’t a fit here. She wasn’t born fully grown at the conception of the universe

Theory on it being done randomly created God for the life land might have been wrong, but I knew in my heart of hearts Eonar wasn’t it.

[Necroxis-dalaran (Necroxis)]

This thread is a fun reread considering 9.1. Thanks to whomever dug it up to quote me in that thread bickering about whatever. I got a chuckle reading the interactions again.

[Aderyn-antonidas (Aderyn)]

Don’t know if somebody has already brought this up or not, but Ardenweald is about the rebirth of spirits, correct? What if the Winter Queen herself originated as a different sort of being, was slain or somehow incapacitated, and reborn into Ardenweald as the Winter Queen? In the Dresden Files, for example, the titles in the courts of the fey can be transferred as the need arises: a human can become the Winter or Summer Lady, and they change to accommodate their new role. Perhaps something similar happened to the whomever the Winter Queen was originally, and thus there’s still no certainty on what she, or Elune, may actually be.

Besides, in fantasy settings like this, “sister” need not necessarily mean that the two are related in the sense that we associate with the term. Maybe the two of them are related in that they both originate from a common event, or there are similar cosmic forces woven into their beings. That doesn’t mean that the Winter Queen’s level of power needs to be indicative of Elune’s.

[Necroxis-dalaran (Necroxis)]

Yeah I never took much stock in the belief they were like…actually related, but the WQ was just calling her a sister like two close people sometimes do. Not that it really matters either way.

[Rez-dark-iron]

Elune is a pantheon of Light, her lover(s) is a pantheon of Life.

This allows for her children to be connected to Life, but be influenced by the power of the Light/Void(Shadow).

All titans/pantheons view eachother as “siblings” in the way such that they all came after the First Ones.

[Denona-khazgoroth (Denona)]

@Aderyn-antonidas

Besides, in fantasy settings like this, “sister” need not necessarily mean that the two are related in the sense that we associate with the term. Maybe the two of them are related in that they both originate from a common event, or there are similar cosmic forces woven into their beings. That doesn’t mean that the Winter Queen’s level of power needs to be indicative of Elune’s.

Maybe. For example, the aspects do refer to each other as siblings even though only Alexstrasza and Ysera are actual siblings. Like Alexstrasza calls Malygos her “brother” when you kill the wayward aspect.

Alexstrasza the Life-Binder yells: I did what I had to, brother. You gave me no alternative.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Malygos_(tactics)#Quotes

[Lore-herod]

@Rez-dark-iron

Elune is a pantheon of Light

Actually she’s (unfortunately) part of the pantheon of life.