Lol, pot/kettle
The sophistry and libel you employ to whitewash Sylvanas and attempt to defame anyone who criticizes her is sad. Iâm not offended anymore, I feel sorry for you now, even with you projecting by wrongly accusing me of Islamophobia to distract from your equivalent prejudice against Christianity.
Everything else you said in that comment was a deliberate misinterpretation of what I said.
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Battle of Dezarâalor. Normal holds the final key to my Mog! Hard to get a group together for that. Also, YUM! That looks amazing!
It actually is. anyway good luck.
And here I am with a few scoops of ice cream and a bottle of gatorade as my combination breakfast/lunch.
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I mean, youâre not wrong to some extent.
I just refuse to give her the benefit of the doubt on her verbal, public dialogue since she proved she was not worthy of it in EoN. I take everything she speaks out loud with a grain of salt, and (what little there is) use whatever she thinks to herself internally as more an indicator of her true motives/feelings. Because EoN revealed that WC3 Sylvanas; WoW Sylvanas; BC Sylvanas; and WotLK Sylvanas (at least in relation to her relationship with her Forsaken) was a facade she kept to get them to move in directions convenient for her. To USE them.
So ⊠without her being given a proper motive to change on her stance on her Forsaken, I am somehow expected to just take her public interactions with them from that point on at face value? Why? To give her the benefit of the doubt on that topic she has in no way earned? I donât understand this logic, unless it comes from a place of simply wanting to think the best of her and give her that benefit of the doubt.
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You chose Maldraxxus as a covenantâŠ
Proves my point.
This is the type of hypocrisy I pointed out about the writing above. Haha thatâs too on the nose for me.
âPlauge bad!â When Sylvanasâs uses itâŠchooses Maldraxxus
Irony. Gotta love it.
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If it took you that long to figure out something that literally just takes clicking a character and armory checking, then you are kinda retarded. In the literal definition.
Ok I saw your edit. You are most likely trolling with the kind of stupid posts you are making.
Yeah, I did.
There arenât any real Covenants that actually work thematically with Shamans on a surface level; unless you conflate them with Druids. And Shamans once upon a time had dominion with the inner cosmological aspects of Spirit and Decay. Which Maldraxxus does represent. On top of this, GOBLIN! On top of this, I figured on an RP level that for a Shaman whoâs job is to maintain the balance between the 4 Elements, building and maintaining the relationships between 5 Maldraxxie houses isnât too outside the range of normal duties.
Plus, despite the grim aesthetics, the zone is riddled with personality and the Abomination Factory (and my Abominations) are darling. As are most of those Maldraxxie characters and leaders I work with. It also has all my BiS abilities for both Elemental and Resto. So it all worked out.
EDIT: Also, as a side note. Iâve never criticized the Forsakenâs use of the Blight. Wut?
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tbh luxios argument is basically the same as saying âHURR DURR X WINGS ARE SPACE VEHICLES AND THE DEATH STAR IS A SPACE FARING SPACE STATION LOL THE IRONY XDXDXDâ
which is just sad when you think about it.
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This is what you like to refer to as âreading between the linesâ the text doesnt say that she knew he was conflicted avout that. In fact, it suggests that she offered it to Saurfang to honor him. It was his kill.
Did you read A Good War or someones summary thereof?
Saurfang didnât think so. According to his inner monologue he knew she was right.
And yet there was no way for Summermoon to know this. Even burning the tree (which was not as good as taking the tree but wouldnt have had much psychological effect when competing with the miraculous savior love story of Tyrande and Malfurion) was effective at causing a rift in the alliance. Tyrande and Malfurion were effectively absent in Kul Tiras.
At best that was foreshadowing (the turned to ash quote). It is little more than fan theory to suggest any of those quotes were anything like Sylvanas trying to hint her true intentions. Though there is assuredly a hidden motive, Brooks- likely prompted by the devs- left that motive up in the air so they could make it whatever they wanted later.
She lamented that she would one day have to kill Saurfang. She didnt like it, but she new his Orcish honor would cause a rift between them at some point. Thats called foreshadowing. For someone who recently scoffed at Sylvanasâ strategic ability, you sure do seem to think she had everything planned out in the War of Thorns.
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No I read A Good War. Many times in fact. Even after she realizes Malf had survived (which again, she cannot prove Saurfang did deliberately at the time, which is why she goes off on that Elune tangent) she commits to the invasion of the Tree. And when included with the relevant cinematic, it was only after her private discussion with Summermoon that she changes her stance to âBurn itâ. To the point where even Saurfang initially believes that Summermoon gave Sylvie some sort of tactical information that required it. Either the NEs were not planning on surrendering, or the Alliance reinforcements were already there.
Did you read âA Good Warâ? Because despite Sylvanas verbally blaming Saurfang for it, the Order or Events would suggest that it was Delarynâs argument âthat it doesnât matter how many of us you kill (or WHOM) it would not break their hopeâ that was the catalyst for that choice. As killing Malf would not have resulted in the wound Sylvanas wished to inflict, to fully commit both factions to the War (and create her massive death toll).
Randomly looking into this thread 600+ posts in makes me feel like a sane person.
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And yet, even being his public enemy.
She gave him exactly what he wanted. an honorable death.
Because she respected him.
By the way, I just realized something you have in common with Sylvanas, Luxio. Like her, you try and dissect other peopleâs character and point out what you think are their flaws or weakness⊠but you canât stand someone else doing that to you, especially when they get it right (which here has brought out out insults, accusations and flagging comments).
Ironic.
Iâm starting to think you put so much stock in Sylvanas because if sheâs right about her current path, itâll validate something in your life. Thatâs why you twist every act of villainy on Sylvanasâ part into heroism or being for the greater good even as you deny it to other WoW characters.
I think youâll almost definitely ignore this comment. As far as I can tell, you only reply to me from now on if thereâs something to quote-mine to try and use against me.
Idk⊠she gave Blizzard what they wanted⊠a dramatic cinematic. I dont think the MokâGora cinematic gave us much insight into Sylvanas character. She always gets emotional and irratic when she feels insecure.
Yes but on one level her conversation with him in A Good War where they connected over being war buddies, who should both be dead by now was forming respect.
She knew Saurfang wanted to die. And he wanted to die âin battle with a hated enemyâ to fulfill his own Blackrock honor fantasy. And regardless if she was painted as bad, or on the wrong side, in the Mokâgora, she gave Saurfang exactly what he wanted⊠thus honoring him, when she could have just said no to his mokâgora and fought a bloody civil war.
Regardless of the rest of this topic, that quest indicates itâs more than just the norm. Voss explains (from her perspective) how it always plays out the same, but thereâs a hope that maybe this time itâll be different.
Thereâs an argument that if the Forsaken interacted more outside the Undercity then maybe they would be better understood and would have less issues, but that would still probably have a lot of sad stories before any sort of normalization might occur.
While we also see Jaina and Derek (and eventually Anduin and the horrifying monster Calia) - thatâs more because Jaina and Anduin serve to exist solely as the perpetual protagonists and moral compass for⊠everyone.
Except when Jaina is attempting mass murder that would make Teldrassil seem pale. Then we gloss over it and move on.
Actually qualified or perceive herself to be qualified?
She has had direct experience with the forces involved, so she may perceive herself to be qualified to comment on it. If itâs sheer math, most folks would be qualified.
None of that actually means that the ends do actually justify the means, but it would explain her rationale to think sheâs qualified.
I would apply the same logic to Yrel. She may consider herself to be acting in the good of all and even have knowledge of the dangers of her opposition (the Void) but it doesnât necessarily make her choices justified.
Regardless, anyone who chooses the path of âthe ends justify the meansâ still has to accept that the ends arenât generally condoned by society at large and they may have to face consequences. Blizzard hopefully wonât ignore that (in either case).
In the book, this seems false, though later itâs explained that even though her inner monologue seems to portray this as false - she has underlying motives beneath her actually dialogue and inner monologue. I wonât lie - I hate it.
Originally, she wanted the death of Malfurion and the capture of Teldrassil to create a wound that would splinter the Alliance internally. Night Elves would cry for blood, Glineans would want their land first, and Anduin wouldnât be able to control Greymane.
Then she burned Teldrassil because once Malfurion survived, there were no real options left. His survival would give them hope that Elune was on their side and they were marching with glory. Teldrassilâs burning would have them marching with pain and maybe give the Horde a chance at winning. Her conversation with Delaryn was while she was thinking of a way to proceed since the plan had failed and that was the option she came up with.
Then later, it became that it was her plan all along to create the bloodiest war possible and send as many people to the Maw as she could.
But honestly, we also learned the dread lords were secretly behind everything bad in the universe at one point, so itâs not like this stuff doesnât happen. I may not like it, but the game goes on.
I blame this on game design solely that is a problem outside of any storytelling. Iâm a Night Fae Warlock. Do you know how messed up that is? I shouldnât even be allowed to join the Night Fae. But it gives me another DoT and a better movement ability (and escape) plus better in-combat benefits. So Iâm a Night Fae Warlock.
Outside of Ysera (donât judge me, I like dragons) I pretty much hate everyone in my covenant.
And Shandris (and even some of the souls I rescue from the Maw) hate me.
I WASNâT EVEN THERE FOR TELDRASSIL! I STOPPED PLAYING AT THE END OF CATA AND CAME BACK AT THE END OF BFA! STOP JUDGING ME WEIRD FLOATING SOULS!
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I meant actually qualified, which Sylvanas certainly isnât.
They definitely wonât ignore it for Yrel; it looks like Blizzard is making the mistake of villain-batting her for a dogmatism story arc (I even get the feeling they will make the bigger mistake of having Velen apostatize). I think they will with ignore it for Sylvanas because they have writers who are fans of her, some even to the degree of Luxio.
I agree with everything else you said.
It would be ironic though if Droite started saying that the way the good Maldraxxi use the plauge is better than how Sylvanas uses the plauge.
Because thatâs exactly how the Forsaken justify using the plauge, because itâs better than how the Scourge or the Lich King would use the plauge.