hozen, kelfin, SM ogres etc are technically part of the horde
just like the jinyu/ankoan, dryads, furbolgs, frost dwarves for the alliance etc
but they arent sending armies or have a voice among the horde/alliance and have no interest in the faction war
theyre non playable natives in their lands whom we interact with and who are going to stay part of their environement but let us use their land and resources/protect our interests in the area
ogres could always be brought in ofc but lets be real, theyre too damn big. and if they arent big whats the point
Participated in the campaign against Theramore in WC3 and during Mists as per Tides of War.
Their Numbers formed into a thinner line to navigate the narrower road through Dustwallow marsh, and the hoy sun now filtered through the tall, mossy trees. Past the ruins of the Shady Rest Inn, they halted at a crossroads with paths that led to Theramore Isle, Mudsprocket, and Brackenwall Village. Here, Garrosh divided the army in half. He would take command of the forces that would head north, to be reinforced by new recruits from the village, more orcs and even ogres, who would bear down on Theramore from the north.
PG 189
There was also a Stonemaul ogre at Domination Point in Krasarang, Orādac
Ogre toys make you shorter than a tauren
Some ogre NPCs compared to a female Zandalari
Furthermore, according to Traveler (Spiral Path, PG 27) their lore heights are:
Male: 6-12 Feet (182.88-365.76 cm)
Female: 6-10 Feet (182.88-304.8 cm)
Tauren player models have been pinpointed down to be:
Male: ~8ā8 (266.6 cm)
Female: 8ā02 (244.58 cm)
Meaning theyāre in the playable height range.
ok and? ogres participated in the theramore campaign because thats where they live but we havent seen them leave that locale have we
we see an individual hozen walking around zuldazar. cool. adds depth to the world. we see a vrykul in boralus harbor too. doesnt mean either race supports the alliance/horde in faction war
wheres the hozen or orgre army? why is their leader absent from every horde narrative? not even a single quest hub outside of mop where the hozen are doing something. truth is ogres spread out and never rejoined the horde in the same capacity as they had in wc2. the horde are just friendly with the SM ogres now
ogres/hozen arent leaving their enviornment. same with dryads/furbolgs. if horde invaded that territory they will participate in repelling them. an individual can leave sure, and thats all weve seen so far
Ogres arenāt sending armies because thereās no point creating NPC armies for a race that isnāt playable. The lore says theyāre an active part of their respective faction. The lore is not always accurately represented in-game. If weāre basing who can be playable based off of whoās sending armies, thereās a number of playable races that need to be removed from the game.
Not trying to be rude, but thatās a really silly metric to go by on what can be playable.
if youre claiming ogres answered the hordes call for the fourth war, or done jack since helping the horde push the alliance out of their territory, id love to see that lore
In that case we can get rid of Pandaren, they havenāt been relevant since Mists.
Dwarves can go too, they just hang around Dun Morogh. Last time we saw them even really do anything was defend their land in Legion and that was about it.
We could probably ditch the Sand Troll customizations, we havenāt seen a single NPC in the Horde.
High Elf customizations should be removed, lore wise they wouldnāt even have the numbers for an army.
Draenei should be removed, Velen is a no-show in the lore since Legion and we havenāt seen the Draenei really do anything.
See how very quickly playable races fall under that category? Itās also worth pointing out that Rexxar, the Chieftain of the Stonemaul clan, was an active leader in the Fourth War. We also saw Ogres come to the Horde with Magāhar. If Blizz decides to make Ogres playable, all they have to do is make Rexxar rally them and thatās it.
Sheās acting in his place. If Ji simply being at the Horde council is enough to justify Pandaren, then Rexxar leading Horde forces is enough to justify Ogres, especially since we see him do more than Ji.
The āDwarves shown all the timeā are individuals, not an army rallied by the Dwarven council. That could just as easily be done with Ogres.
Edit: addressing the edit you made to your post, High Elves are not part of the Horde. High Elves are a political distinction as are the Blood Elves, not a distinct race. An Elf of that origin, regardless of their appearance, who is part of the Horde is a Blood Elf, not a High Elf. The High Elves, the Elves who did not take up the Fel originally and did not join the Horde, are too few in number to provide a proper army, thus not justifying by your metric a playable race/customization.
Well we did see Rexxar leading the Hordeās forces in the Fourth War, something you did ask about. In Legion heās present at a gathering of Horde leaders for a pvp achievement too.
Iām kind of split on that. It does suck they were relegated to customization options but there are alot of allied races I think should be customization options, like the Magāhar. I feel like it turns into a balancing issue and an issue where race spots are taken from unique races instead of off-shoots. Itās a hard call to make. Iām glad we at least got the options though.
Iād definitely be down with that. The races all get their fantasy and thereās no race slot bloat. I think I might have seen your thread before but Iāll have to look for it.
