Oh Iām no hero. Iām just some guy that really wants playable Ogres and Saurok on the Horde. <- <;
But Iām glad you came! Us lizardmen fans need to stick together and show our support. This was actually the first megathread I made, when I got the courage to make it back during the days of BfA. Iāve been very lucky and happy that both my megathreads seem to have been well received so far.
Makes me glad to find others who would love playable Horde Saurok! 
Imagine if Alliance had gotten Sethrak and Horde got Saurok at some point, itād be sick to see these scaly bois go at each other
Sethrak for Alliance and Saurok for the Horde would be a pretty great combo. Each faction gets a reptilian race that kinda fit the theme and culture they are joining. It could make for a pretty fun event in-game, too.
Of course, they could both be added to the Horde and still be very unique compared to each other. The point is that the game needs some playable reptilian races to add some much needed flavor to the character creation screen!
So letās get some reptiles on that character creation screen! 
Sethrak make no sense for alliance mon. Give alliance stone dwarves and sethrak to horde.
They can fairly easily. Sethrak thread can tell you about it.
Frostborn would probably be a better pick here. Though Iād want to see Frostborn show up with Taunka.
Sethrak and Saurok (A/H respectively) I think would be a nice pairing.
Ive seen what thread has to say and its just hopeful thinking, sethrak owe alliance nothing and horde infinitely more.
Reflecting Prisms and Pickpocket works perfectly in a raid, even cross realm. Tested it multiple times with friends and others when the oppertunity presented itself.
Also Bagzak, not a lvl three trust lvl yet (think thatās what itās called) but when I reach that, mind if I toss a link to the saberon thread that weāve been posting on here?
Regarding Sethrak, though I do lean towards Alliance for them, itād be cool to see them playable regardless of what faction theyād end up on. I know a lot of people want them playable, and Iād happily create one myself. 
I think some toys that allow you to copy the appearance of other players donāt work in raids, according to the comments for toys such as this one:
Itās good to hear that there are some illusion items that do work within raids and such. Iāll have to keep that in mind.
As for the Saberon megathread, Iāll go ahead and post it for ya! If anyone is interested in supporting playable Saberon, a megathread for them popped up awhile ago:
Iād say that Saberon would be a great race to become playable and would rank up there for my most wanted races. In fact, Iād love to recreate my Vah Shir/Kerran character from Everquest 1 and 2 in WoW.
So if anyone is interested in seeing the ideas and discussions for there or you just want to show off some support, be sure to check that megathread out! 
In my opinion, the more races that become playable, the better! More options are always a good thing and great for world-building and roleplaying opportunities! 
Thanks for linking the megathread man! Was worried by asking that I was being rude <_<. And ye, if anyone wants to show support for the Saberon thatād be awsome, and I apologize for the paragraphs and paragraphs of comments I made heh but for me personally itās the race I want to see the most on WoW, Saurok being a close secondā¦ Both of these races are neat as hell.
Iāve never had that problem with Ai-Liās skymirror in a raid group, if you want Iāll see if I can check it today, but canāt make any promises since Iāll be away from home later.
Took an image of a Saurok at Zuldazar to kinda imagine if we had gotten them as a Horde allied race in BfA:
Seems kinda fitting to me. A shame that BfA was rushed in the endā¦also a shame that we didnāt work with any friendly Saurok tribes in the BfA version of Vale of Eternal Blossoms. Wouldāve been great to rescue them from the Mogu clans there and work with them. Ah well. Doesnāt mean there arenāt any friendly Saurok tribes out there somewhere.
Youāre not! We all have races we want playable and we want to see them get support and such. I had to roll up my sleeves and do what I could to create and maintain support for playable Ogres and Saurok, so I completely understand.
No rush to check it out. Itās possible those comments were outdated and that at one point, it didnāt work while in a raid group. Maybe it was a bug that got fixed if it does actually work in raids.
On another note, Iām still planning to do an update to the main megathread post soon. Iāve been getting a bit busy with my college class and some RL obligations. I do have a few things in mind that Iāll add, though I may do it little by little. Also thinking about how to go about doing that in-game Saurok event I mentioned, along with an Ogre one too. Lots of stuff to plan!
I finally did an update to the main post! I added a couple of new jokes, mentioned the idea of bone armor in the heritage armor section, and also added a āHow You Can Help!ā section, which Iāll add to in the future.
One of the jokes I posted was one I posted awhile ago. The new jokes I added:
āSome guy in red jumped on me and hit me to get me to eat stuff! When I refused, he pushed me down a pit to jump across it! Who does that to people?!ā
āThe worst thing to happen to a Saurok? Accidently biting our tongue. We lose our ability to taste AND smell for days! Itās absolutely miserable!ā
I figured with the 2-hour forum maintenance going on tomorrow, I should get an update completed now. I do have both my megathreads backed up if anything happens to make it look like the quadratic equation exploded. Hopefully, things go smoothly.
I also did have a weird three digit error when I tried to edit the forums. Also had to relink one of the screenshots I took before. When I finally got the edit to go through, that screenshot was oddly enough a URL. Closing the window and looking at it again makes it seem like everything is in order, but Iāll keep an eye out to see if anything derps up again.
Iāll be thinking of more things to add and possible sections to revamp, so if anyone has any particular suggestions, feel free to share!
Iāve been in the process of planning out an in-game Ogre event for my Ogre megathread, but Iāve been thinking about a Saurok one as well and wanted to know, for anyone interested in attending, what type of event youād like to see.
As Iāve said before, I donāt expect a huge amount of people to join the event and having it become some grand thing, but I feel that occasionally doing in-game events is a good step in showing off playable Horde Saurok support.
That said, here are some ideas I had:
Simple photoshoots- Take a Horde city or locale, get a bunch of people in Saurok form, and take screenshots as groups.
Marches- Similar to something Iām planning for an Ogre event. Have a group of people in Saurok illusions march around a Horde capital city. Possible roleplay text such as Saurok history and, for Orgrimmar, making a case to Ji Firepaw at the embassy to put in a request for Saurok to join the Horde.
Newbie Saurok invasion- Have a bunch of people in unarmored Saurok illusions to show off what it could look like if Saurok did become playable and several people made newbie Saurok.
Sauroktober- Something to celebrate in October as a whole, with one part of it something similar to the Vulpera Foxtober event. Weād pass out reflecting prisms and get people to turn into Saurok and get Orgrimmar filled with a bunch of Saurok to take screenshots and such. Sauroktober would also consist of other things, both in-game, on here, and any other place I go to start showing playable Horde Saurok support.
Just a few ideas Iāve had so far. If anyone has any other ideas, feel free to comment. Itāll be a bit before Iām able to put an event together, but I figure itād be good to start planning early for when Iām able to!
Sethrak and Vulpera are bitter enemies, but yes iād gladly have Sethrak replace Vulperas
My understanding is that the Faithless are the ones that were mean to the Vulpera. I vaguely recall the good Sethrak and the Vulpera being mostly cool with each other at the end of the Volādun questline, though I could also see the Vulpera dubious towards Sethrak as a whole.
Either way, the more reptilian races playable, the better IMO. As I said, I donāt see Sethrak being a replacement for Saurok or vice versa, even if both of them would wind up being on the Horde. Theyāre different enough to be playable together in many ways, and Iām fine with whatever faction Sethrak would join.
As long as I get my Horde Saurok and Ogres, Iām happy!
If I recall correctly, the bad sethrak were omnivillains and the vulpera ally with the good ones, who the horde then proceed to help by saving their god.
Saurok culture literally have warbands, that itself states they are Horde material
Sethrak are more sophisticated and a little more industrious compared to Saurok, that just gives me an idea theyāll gladly take their place in the Alliance but I guess they could be Horde as well, though I just donāt see Vulpera and Sethrak working together especially under a faction
The Saurok being tribal and shamanistic are a couple of reasons I associate them being Horde. The biggest reason I do that for them is because they were a former slave race that was created and forced into servitude. This fits the theme of the Horde very well.
For Sethrak, I lean towards them moreso as Alliance because of their culture. They strike me as being more regal and laid back in many ways, which makes me feel like they might fit better with the Alliance than the Horde. Sure, Blood Elves and Nightborne are in the Horde also, so it isnāt as if those factors would disqualify them from being a Horde race.
This could be an issue as well. I could see Nisha, who wears a Sethrak skull, and other Vulpera taking issue with Sethrak joining the Horde. It wouldnāt be impossible to write around if they were destined to join the Horde, of course.
As I said, itās all personal preference for me when it comes to playable Sethrak, but I wouldnāt complain if they were to become a Horde race. As I said, theyāre completely different enough from Saurok culturally and even different species (snake men are different from lizard) that would allow them to coexist on the character creation screen, even on the same faction.
I cant wrap my head around the statement you see sethrak as more alliance material when they worship a loa and seemingly have a lot of shamans in service.
They already have a ton incommon but I dont really see this industrious side, they havent really made anything that Orcs or the horde elves couldnt or wouldnt do.
Besides the invasive terraforming sand pillars.
This makes them seem like they would be overwhelmingly welcome
I donāt want to get too into it here, since its a Saurok thread, butā¦ Iāll toss in my 2 cents.
Despite their loa and despite their fairly shamanistic (seemingly anyways) bent they themselves donāt to many feel like a Horde race. They feel more like an Alliance one.
This viewpoint is mostly built on their strong desire for piety to their particular god and their interest in peace first.
Vorrik is reluctant to jump straight into conflict only deciding to do so when he has effectively no further option.
This of course also focusā on the Devoted.
Personally I do see many similarities between them and Alliance races, but I also donāt immensely care which side they end up on. Theyāre a cool race and should be playable.
I also however, fairly clearly see that theyāre more likely to be a Horde race. Their main possibilities to be an Alliance one largely were dropped by Blizzard who clearly had something in mind but turned away from it probably in beta or before then.
I donāt blame people who see them as only a Horde possible race.
I came across another neat reptile I wanted to share for Saurok customization ideas: The Rhinoceros Iguana:
The main feature of this reptile is the horns on top of its snout, thus the name āRhino Iguana.ā They have different shapes of horns and even beak-like noses. They would make for some cool customization options!
This is the awesome thing about Saurok and even general Lizardmen customization options: There is so much to go on for ideas. Scales, horns, spikes, beaks/noses, and more! Saurok customization would have huge potential and be really awesome to see all sorts of features for them!
Iāll keep looking into more real life reptiles for more Saurok idea inspiration!