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How do you break up posts to multi-quote btw?

They aren’t "slightly"different. Let’s not be silly about that matter.
Zandalari trolls were among the first trolls to exist. Hence their stature, tusk size, skin textures. They are very different, but there is enough similarity that they are still a type of troll but different enough that they are a different race.

Sort of like how in Dnd, all drow are elves, but not all elves are drow.
It is why the issue of the other 4 races such as dark iron, kultirans, maghar, and high mountain tauren is vexing.
It is laziness on blizzard’s part to call them races when they aren’t and doesn’t match up with the company’s actual view on races and lore.

@Dorp: It is indeed your logic. You stated just now. “blood elves are blood elves, and high elves are high elves.”
There is NOTHING in game or in lore which remotely suggests the two are separate.

Now if you need proof of someone playing a level 120 high elf, its simple. They’re renamed “blood elves.”.
Honestly, its pretty obvious Blizzard gave them a different name to keep people from being butt hurt about the horde getting to play as high elves since to this say, people still demand them to being a playable race. Crazy how a simple name change fools people into thinking something is different when it really isn’t.

Edit: Its the same brojerky from earlier. Phone used him for some reason.

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If you select an amount of text in someone’s post, a small box should appear that says Quote. It will add that quote to your post, so you can break it up.

Like this.

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There’s ingame proof and lore that high elves are high elves, and that blood elves are blood elves, yes.

That’s not proof, show me a screenshot of a lvl 120 high elf and I will believe you, not a BLOOD elf, a HIGH elf. This thread isn’t about making blood elves playable.

Hopefully you’ll give me a source of these playable high elves by tomorrow morning. Good night.

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18134

Dorp you already have them they are called Blood Elfs,

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WOMG

[quote="Dorp-emerald-dream, post:18133, topic:18812]
There’s ingame proof and lore that high elves are high elves, and that blood elves are blood elves, yes.[/quote]

Provide it please.

Really? I couldn’t tell what this thread was about even though the topic name is at the very top of the screen in rather bold letters.
I shall simplify it for you since it appears my argument is escaping you.

High elves are playable. As blood elves and as void elves.
Blood elves are high elves who named themselves blood elves.
Void elves are high elves being abused by an old god.
Still high elves, just different eye color and skin color.

They’re the same thing, just a different feature. Just like how you can have a corolla S and a Corolla LX. Still a corolla.

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Tusk size is customizable.
Do you think all Darkspear Trolls have the same stature? All Zandalari are exactly the same height?

How are Zandalari and Darkspear more different than two different human ethnicities

Nightborne are literally just skinnier Night Elves. There are probably underweight NEs out there that look exactly the same as a Nightborne.

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To get quotes to quote properly, seperate the top [quote] and the quote itself from the bottom [/quote], otherwise it just sends that brick of text instead.

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The distinction has already been explained to you, I fail to see the point of you attempting socratic reasoning in such a weak fashion.

By the reasoning you are attempting, zandalari and darkspear trolls are the same. Based on this reasoning, wolves are the same as dogs.
Let alone this is simply another tangent in a weak attempt to suggest high elves are not the same as blood elves.
The first argument regarding the two being the same has not been debunked, and this tangent doesn’t relate to this first argument because the argument of blood elves is one of nomenclature.
The matter of the two troll races is not.

Edit: Okay I see. Bloody thing is so different compared to other forum stuff I used.

Edit: Negative on underweight NE’s being the same as Nightborne. Lore states explicitly they are different races due to the nightwell.

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By all means, they’re clearly distinct in several things that matter. I’d just like to know why their distinctions are more relevant than the ones between High and Blood Elved.

They’re the same species, yes.

Go talk to Taela Everstride on Allerian Stronghold

Or go watch the Elisande cutscene again

Or really, go get your definition of race straight. Because the one you’re using is clearly different from ours, and from Blizzard’s.

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Lavinya please dont feed the Troll your only giving him more energy to fuel his attacks.

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Please stop with the nonsense that people with a different opinion are trolls. This itself is straight up inflammatory, and abusive. Is defamation really how you want to win your fight? Wait, I’m afraid to ask.

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Wrong I was merely stating the fact he is indeed a Troll (His race etc) I do however apologize.

I just assumed he was trolling as most people I seen trolling on these fourms have been people doing so on their troll characters.

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That’s a nightborne, isn’t it? Yeah, you’re not fooling anyone.

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Oh dam my bad wowsers I thought he was a Zalandari…

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Hey, i am gojng to use this post as a placeholder. Internet died and typing on the phone is terrible.

Ill do a quick summary of the post i wanted to do earlier.

High wlf and blood elf is different from zandalari and darkspear.
In this aspect, the first is purely due to nomenclature and lore supports this matter. In game this is supported by the fact that they use the exact same model and skin textures just different eye colors.

Zandalari and dark spear are considered different races because of how they are different sub species of troll. It isnt a name difference of a prominent leader declaring them to be a new title like the case of blood elves and kaelthas sunstrider.

Blizzards definition runs in line with mjne considering it is stated the only differen e between blood elf and high elf is political and nothing more.

The only contradictions are allied races such as the kultiran which honestly, thats just them sellimg the same thing under a different name. A corolla from 2010 is still the same even if you get the S, or LX. Same car. Different features. Or are you suggesting a fat human is an entirely different species of human?

Selith that is hurtful. As i told a prvious poster. If high elves were not playable i would be in agreement of their inclusion, but they are playable aa blood elves, and the game states they are high elves.

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Allied Races are different cultural versions of base core races. Their very nature means that they are required to be biologically like their core race.

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You think you want High Elves, but you really don’t

-bli$$ard

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If we truly added everything that a mass of people wanted to be put into the game, what do you think it would look like? This quote’s used a lot, but I can’t help but be a devil’s advocate.

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Greetings all. I still support you all asking for the faction of High Elves that remained with the Alliance to be playable.

If I thought it would be anything more than an exercise in entertaining oneself or finding busy work, I would say maybe a flowchart should be created for all the common anti-High Elf objections that leads through the pro-High Elf responses.

I mean, is there still lack of clarity in the idea that the primary difference between the group that currently calls itself “High Elves” and the group that currently calls itself “Blood Elves” is a political and philosophical one? Is it really necessary to describe each group as I just did in order to make the distinction clear?

I personally do not care if the group that calls itself “High Elves” and the group that calls itself “Blood Elves” are biologically distinct or not. The philosophical and political differences between the two is more than enough to make for an interesting story, if Blizzard is up to the challenge (whether they are or not is up to you to decide). If Blizzard wants to make them more physically distinct, like, oh, I don’t know, Kul Tiran Humans and Stormwind Humans, they can.

But if we need a story reason for them to be physically distinct, here’s a fun little ditty for you:

A group of High Elves, looking for powerful allies against the Void Lords and remembering the expedition into the Alternate Draenor, travel to Outland to seek out and recruit beings of great physical prowess: Hans’gar and Franzok. They learn that, alas! these Orcish Adonises have already died in their timeline.
That does not deter these determined Elves, however.

With great effort, they find a ritual by which to draw these prime physical specimens back into the realm of the living. The catch is, so overwhelming are these heroic Herculeses, that it takes the combined power of all who still call themselves High Elves to bring their colossalness into tangibility, and so a summons goes out.

They all gather in Outland and begin the ritual,… but something goes wrong! The High Elves are forever changed! Hans’gar and Franzok are not brought into this world, but the essence of their titanic power is poured upon the High Elves present. No longer are their forms slender and lithe, with flahhh-bby arms and puny legs. They now have the form and discipline of a bodybuilder. They even lift bro! They have now come to their friends in the Alliance to pump <claps and points> them up. Hear them now and believe them later: they will aid the Alliance in the battle against the Void.

Hopefully everyone who read that story noticed my tongue was planted firmly in my cheek.

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As long as they are worse cosmetically, lower power in lore and lower population then blood elves I dont mind. Maybe uglier too. Also rename them to low elves or something else since they dont have high status anymore. Human elves sounds good. Hundorei.