It was a joke. I thought the “lol” and the emote were enough to telegraph the intent.
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Good! I was getting bored with just the two. I guess what I really want to see is more player engagement. If it means adding new allied races, so be it, but in that case they have to offer options to both factions. That means giving the horde a race that they want enough so that faction balance will remain stable. Horde players would probably welcome an allied race of humans that don’t see eye to eye with Anduin and his anti-freebooter ways.
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Fair enough. I understand the connotation of “Official” meaning “endorsed by Blizzard” and how that could be problematic.
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Yeah. I’m done with that too.
The group is High Elves. The race is Dark Trolls.
Quel’Dorei is not a race. It’s a title… and they are the same race Night Elves are without a dragon tree.
If withered and wretched aren’t different races because magic can turn them back, then the Highborne are still what Kal’dorei are.
I knew it was. ![:purple_heart:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/purple_heart.png?v=6" ":purple_heart:")
I’m just done with the quarantine business. It gives trolls an ‘excuse’ to be rude to High Elf advocates in other threads.
Obviously people shouldn’t be derailing people in other threads, but at the same time, if someone is responding to toxicity somewhere then it’s the source of the toxicity that is the problem.
Something that I learned in life is that you can turn a weakness into a strength if you learn to laugh at it. If we jokingly call it a quarantine thread, others won’t use those words to offend us, because we laugh at it.
The faction balance is actually out of whack in the other direction. I don’t mind playable San’layn but if we are worried about faction balance then they need to add High Elves and then a Horde race nobody cares about.
Don’t they determine gamewide faction balance through a series of calculations having to do with realm pop from all servers? I’m not a statistician but I should imagine that detailed data would be derived from that.
The word “Megathread” means all encompassing thread on the subject.
The words “Discussion” “Suggestion” “Idea” “Request” are superfluous.
And “Official” and “Unofficial” just confuse people and cause arguments.
Even the San’layn thread is getting flack for it.
It’s a split. They each took different values and ideals and went with them.
Each adapted in different ways.
Blood Elves adapted by power and survival at any cost.
High Elves adapted by fellowship and idealism.
Blood Elves are the more regal ones.
High Elves are the more subdued ones.
Blood Elves honor their past by embracing their future.
High Elves strive to the future by embracing their past.
Blood Elves are pride over humility.
High Elves are humility over pride.
Keep in mind individuals may be different but these are their general themes.
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Horde were up 3-4% and then they dropped Zandalari (Popular race) and Kul’TIran’s (Niche race)
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And that’s a hot take to have on 2019. “But Authoritarianism!” Is not something I would expect people to consider a value. It’s one thing to accept different political systems as part of a setting, but to so clearly come batting for authoritarianism as the “right choice” is just weird.
Yeah no, Void Elves killed that argument a thousand times already.
There has to be a huge dissonance in play to say that there are High Elves on the alliance, and in the next sentence say “all high elves are on the horde”
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Not quite back, but sometimes I have a moment to lurk and say hello, give my thoughts, then whisk away again!
Still a big year with a couple months left before my time eases up. I just wanted to give my suggestion for the new thread because you guys are churning out posts like hot cakes!
Hope everyone’s doing well, and looking forward to more discussion in the new thread. Mayhaps this thread will be the first to reach the post limit in the new forums? Who knows ![:partying_face:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/partying_face.png?v=6" ":partying_face:")
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I think you are bringing out a good point, and something we have talked about before. There’s this inaccurate narrative that “one side is the true side” when it fact, both Blood Elves and High Elves are different continuations of the Quel’dorei legacy.
And both sides are guilty of this, not only the anti side by claiming that High Elves have no culture because everything Quel’dorei is BE now, but the pro side by framing “the true High Elves” as how elves were introduced in Warcraft at face value. Yes, the modern Alliance High Elves are closer to that ideal and mostly reason why people want them, but in universe, Blood Elves are far more close to their origins as Highborne at this point.
It’s as easy as to ask one of the Highborne themselves, Elisande. She makes clear her opinions on BE’s and HE’s, and it’s obvious what grou she considers to better uphold that legacy.
You can say that Blood Elves are closer to the Highborne ideals, it isn’t innacurate at all. But that doesn’t make High Elves not part of that culture, even if they have veered off from it. It’s still their origin too, even if they have changed, even if they have chosen different aspects of that legacy to follow.
Maybe it means that the name High Elves no longer fits them, as Elisande puts it, but that doesn’t strip their legacy from them, they are still A continuation of the Highborne legacy, just as Blood Elves are.
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I would call the new thread official because it is the officially sanctioned thread of the high elf community. Official doesn’t have to mean it is from blizzard.
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I Believe High Elves strive for their future, by remembering and learning from the mistakes of their past. They have seen the devastation caused by relying heavily on magic, and many have turned from it. Where Blood Elves embrace their pasts, they know that what they do could lead them down the road to destruction. Still they walk that road, trying to prevent the mistakes from the past. Yet unwavering is their desires no matter the cost.
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In modern terms, what elves have (and trolls too) are ethnicities. They are all part of the same race, with the largest separation between Trolls and Night elves thanks to the well of eternity.
While in real life time and geography and environment are the origins of ethnic groups, in WoW, magic also plays a factor.
You can say that Thallassian could be considered an Ethnic group of Elves, and that would encompass Blood Elves, High Elves, and Void Elves.
Because VE’s are a weird case to frame like this. Ethnicity it’s not just about apparent, but about the related cultural differentiation; there are several factors in play. So getting shoot by a cosmic power and altering your appearance and biology, changes your ethnicity? If that leads to a different lifestyle, yeah, but it takes time, and it seems to be the path VE’s are going for, but it really feels that its out of order when in all other ways, they are still ethnically thalassian.
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See we are two entirely different groups of Elves. Alliance High Elves should be made playable, because they have their own lore. Alliance High Elves they are the legacy of a core npc race that has been part of the Alliance since Warcraft II. Sin’dorei the legacy of the Highborne that were exiled. We have seen and lived out the Sin’dorei story. Now let us see and live out the Quel’dorei story. Because I believe the Quel’dorei have a story to tell.
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High Elves; I think using so much magic in an irresponsible manor is a bad idea. Look what happened.
Blood Elves; No! We need more magic to blow up our problems when they happen!
Does anyone remember when Blood Elves where more angry and vengeful? I miss that.
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Exactly. Maybe that story has to do with not being “Quel’dorei” anymore and that would be great (Which would be great to have that name to only refer to the Highborne again lol) and it’s not just nomenclature, but as a way to move their story forward.
All the branching elven groups come from the same tribe of Dark Trolls that settled at the shores of the Well of Eternity, they all share a past. As they have diverged, we have gotten to play many of those branching stories, and it really feels weird that one with such importance to the story or modern Azeroth is the one out of reach, and by reason of gameplay rather than the lore itself.
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If this thread gets to 20,000 posts Blizz will simply have no choice but to have high elves ready to go for 8.3 as well as a suitably juicy allied race for the Horde.
But to your point yes the high elves have a story to tell and it has been conspicuously absent.
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