The Unofficial High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Mowachassa-dalaran (Mowachassa)]

Population definitely matters in the context of the story itself.

But certainly not in the context of “playability” of races

[Eleroleron-frostmourne (Eleroleron)]

In game they were at the same numbers than Blood Elves in at least 3 situations, so does that mean i should inform Blizzard that the Blood Elves are too few to be a playable race?

In-game npcs most definitely do not represent population numbers. This is common knowledge

[Mowachassa-dalaran (Mowachassa)]

Neither we do High Elf numbers, it’s way easier to count how many Blood Elves turned into Void Elves in a single event than counting all the High Elves split in two different worlds.

[Lavinya-moon-guard]

Whatever it is, it’s either much lower than High Elves or they couldn’t possibly remain unheard of for so long. Or did Lor’Themar exile one-tenth of Silvermoon’s population without anyone noticing?

[Eleroleron-frostmourne (Eleroleron)]

Neither we do High Elf numbers, it’s way easier to count how many Blood Elves turned into Void Elves in a single event than counting all the High Elves split in two different worlds.

Indeed we do not know population numbers. The only context we have of Highelven numbers is quotes from the lore stating they are a remnant of a remnant, near the point of extinction, scatterred across the land.

[Grimtale-sargeras]

Blood Elf fanboys argue the purge was an attempt at genocide.

Somehow still think the High Elf society in the same area was not enough to justify a race.

[Mowachassa-dalaran (Mowachassa)]

It was confirmed that at blizzard any designer or writer must confirm with the lore team if they want to add any highelf npc in the game, simply because of how few exist.

In-game npcs most definitely do not represent population numbers. This is common knowledge

If according to you a designer must confirm with the lore team to add a High Elf in the game doesn’t that mean that the in-game numbers are technically in accord with lore?

[Fyrebusche-kiljaeden]

The point here is: We dont know Voidelf numbers.

Neither we do High Elf numbers

true

tbf, we do know alliance high elves are few. they are all but absent in BFA which is literally an expansion about the factions being in an all our war with each other

void elves have been very active. while i suspect the few alliance high elves left are just sitting around in dalaran waiting to be deployed for portal establishment for the alliance armies

[Lavinya-moon-guard]

And then we see them not scattered, we see them in high enough numbers to oppose Blood Elves, and we see them readily supplying the Alliance with forces for military work in Northrend, Pandaria and on the Broken Isles.

[Mowachassa-dalaran (Mowachassa)]

And that record was proven wrong time and time again by the game itself… We already had this conversation before.

[Eleroleron-frostmourne (Eleroleron)]

If according to you a designer must confirm with the lore team to add a High Elf in the game doesn’t that mean that the in-game numbers are technically in accord with lore?

In-game npcs are used for the purpose of story, however after a small mishap early on in WoW with highelf npcs, it became a rule that they cannot be added without confirmation from the lore team.

The npcs in thunder isle for example represent the High elves were there (not the number that were…).

That there is the difference.

[Bladinas-scarlet-crusade]

In-game npcs are used for the purpose of story, however after a small mishap early on in WoW with highelf npcs, it became a rule that they cannot be added without confirmation from the lore team.

The npcs in thunder isle for example represent the High elves were there (not the number that were…).

That there is the difference.

Would you like to see my list?

[Fyrebusche-kiljaeden]

And then we see them not scattered, we see them in high enough numbers to oppose Blood Elves, and we see them readily supplying the Alliance with forces for military work in Northrend, Pandaria and on the Broken Isles.

the alliance high elves could never oppose quel’thalas high elves. they would be outnumbered 9 to 1

also you mention past campaigns where they likely suffered significant losses to the point they are absent in BFA aside from portal duties for the alliance

[Talendrion-wyrmrest-accord (Talendrion)]

The wicker druids are an interesting concept. It just doesn’t fit well with the themes of Kul Tiras as a nation and culture. There’s no relation between creatures of wood and bones with the sea. The thornspeakers seem like an extraneous culture forced into kul tirans for the sole purpose of allowing them a class, or else there would be no druids at all among Alliance allied races.

Compare to tidesages, whose themes of elemental power fit very well with a nation of seafarers. It makes sense that there would be kul tirans capable of bending the storms, the sea and the wind to their will, making the shaman class feel more natural.

This is also very clear in questing: tidesages are everywhere, in Tiragarde and Stormsong, and are part of the main questing in both those zones, while the thornspeakers are side quests in Drustvar alone.

I kinda disagree with this tbh. I like the idea that races can have “subcultures” and the thornspeakers are one that has been well set up.

[Drede-cairne (Drede)]

Whatever it is, it’s either much lower than High Elves or they couldn’t possibly remain unheard of for so long. Or did Lor’Themar exile one-tenth of Silvermoon’s population without anyone noticing?

It would be 15-20% since Blood Elves population has had large cuts.

[Eleroleron-frostmourne (Eleroleron)]

And that record was proven wrong time and time again by the game itself… We already had this conversation before.

Indeed and nothing has changed. The silver covenant is -not- the Highelf race, they ae simply Highelves. They are merely an organization that stand firm against thE bloodelves and in support of thr alliance. They have been the main souce of dispute and civil conflict between the two. The silver covenant making a stand does not somehow erase the previous lore

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

It was confirmed that at blizzard any designer or writer must confirm with the lore team if they want to add any highelf npc in the game, simply because of how few exist.

I’m going to need a source on this one, Eleroleron of the Pedia.

[Lavinya-moon-guard]

It’d be well beyond that since the 10% figure is about the survivors of Quel’thalas and doesn’t take into account the High Elves that were elsewhere.

[Mowachassa-dalaran (Mowachassa)]

A race near the point of extinction scattered all around the land cannot militarize and form battalions to fight in numerous situations, especially countering another race that has way larger numbers in lore.
Wether the numbers in the game are a real representation or not of the High Elves, they were enough to deal with the Blood Elves and the Thunder King’s forces, and this is not accomplish able by 5 individuals

[Eleroleron-frostmourne (Eleroleron)]

I’m going to need a source on this one, Eleroleron of the Pedia

Sigh you’re actually going to make me dig from my phone? I could get it later when I finish my day