The Unofficial High Elf Discussion Megathread

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16981

Also, Mithlius, Bladinas, Alamara and others in this thread are perfectly capable of suggesting edits to the High Elf page and should.

Just provide citations. It’s easy.

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16982

Those…are NPCs…not the actual number of troops…

16983

Hello again!

The silver covenant is indeed a group of highelves, however the reference remains as the remnant Highelves indeed have not united under a common banner nor act as a coordinated whole. Again, I am sure you know of the several groups and villages that exist of the remnants. As such, the reference remains true. I suppose a small addition could be added about the Silver covenant in relation to that note…we will see? Who knows.

Thank you.

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16984

:kissing:
Isle of Thunder
Silver Covenant Spellblade x 30, Kirin Tor Guardian x4, Kirin Tor Defender x2, Silver Covenant Ranger x 15, Kirin Tor Captive x3, Kirin Tor Scholar x1, Silver Covenant Scout x5

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16985

Apparently there are only a hundred orcs living in Orgrimmar because that’s the number of NPCs there.

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Haha. I like how you’re acting as some kind of authority on a public Wiki.

I could go and submit the change now.

Maybe I’ll work on the High Elf page next weekend.

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So, people are defending the minutiae of the Encyclopedia, including the clearly retconned parts? Like the part that says they do not gather in significant numbers (despite now having the Silver Covenant) or that other that say they don’t have spellcasters?

I’ll defend then the Vanilla in-game book (that is still in-game so still canon) that says no elves survived in Silvermoon. We better cancel out the entire blood elf race.

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16988

Once again…those are simply the NPCs…

A population or number within an organization is usually garnered from the books or a direct mention in chronicles. For example, when stating that “Kael’thas’ army numbered in thousands”, it is a rough estimate and able visualization of how many bloodelves he had.

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16989

Well… considering the Wiki is using quotes and numbers from NPC’s in-game…

Whats wrong with me using them?

16990

If you’ll note that book is not reference in the wikipedia :slight_smile:

16991

But it could be, because that’s how Wiki’s work. You’re a really bad wiki contributor roleplayer.

16992

You’re…trying to use the NPCs as the population itself…which for obvious reasons naturally makes no sense.

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16993

The wikipedia quotes correct and updated sources to the information gained. Naturally that is not correct. The citation they are a remnant and fractured people however, is. It can be looked at of course.

Thank you again.

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16994

As this started with a mention that the Wowpedia is wrong, I will once again state that the wikipedia is constantly updated and made sure to have accurate information for all of us.

If anything is new or some believe should not be added, then please remember to give a citation.

Thank you again! Enjoy

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16995

Exactly.

Because it has been trumped by newer lore.

Because it said: “By the time Arthas and his army of the dead turned southward, not one living elf remained in Quel’Thalas. The glorious homeland of the high elves, which had stood for more than nine thousand years, was no more.”, which is clearly outdated.

Which is what should be done with some information of the Encyclopedia, since newer lore has trumped that.

To say that high elves do not gather in meaningful numbers after the introduction of the Silver Covenant, a group that has been consistently featured over a number of expansions, often used as counterpart to Silvermoon’s forces, is obviously false and should be considered non-canon by now.

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16996

Considering what you’ve been saying, you’ve been making no sense.

“High Elves don’t gather in significant numbers”
Dalaran
Warcaster Faronoraithe, Warmage Yurias, Warmage Ilsuaria, Goldlily Gleamingfell, Metopious Loreseeker, Darthalia Ebonscorch,Fialla Sweetberry, Fabioso the Fabulous, Aimee, Teller Althiellis, Imindril Spearsong, Sabrina Sorrowgaze, Olisarra the Kind, Andellion, Mona Everspring, Ildine Sorrowspear, Enchanter Nalthanis, Kitz Proudbreeze, Paldesse, Karandonna, Dariness the Learned, Arille Azuregaze, Warmage Lukems, Vereesa Windrunner, Archmage John NIcholas, Arcanist Braedin, Arcanist Tybalin, Isirami Fairwind, Caliel Brightwillow, Valaden Silverblade, Elizabeth Ross, Mirla Silverblaze, Archmage Lan’dalock, Aemara, Kat Sunflower, Naseev, Rulen Lightreap, Ranger Selone, Pathstalker Ralsir, Matron Alesso, Arcanist Miluria, Arcanist Uovril, Arcanist Firael, Arcanist Ivrenne, Arcanist Adurin, 13x Silver Covenant Guardian Mage, and 1x Silver Covenant Agent

That isn’t significant for you? More than half the City?

Blizz stopped using official numbers so this is all we have to go on.

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16997

NPC’s in WoW are just an abstraction.

Elwynn Forests Goldshire is a small town, that’s supposed to have thousands of occupants.

In WoW it probably has, what? 20?

Blizzard will never give hard numbers on populations because it’ll limit what they can do creatively.

The closest you’ll get is the old RPG books. That were developed with WoW developer feedback, but they’re not canon sources since they’re designed so that people can have a pen and paper adventure.

The Hinterlands has about 2,000 High Elves in it according to those sources…

and places like Elwynn, 5% of the population is made out of High Elves and another 5% is usually made out of Half-Elves.

So, still non-canon units.

But everything in WoW is an abstraction. The 30 Silver Covenant Spellblades in the Isle of Thunder should actually represent hundreds of Elves.

A good way to think about it is the difference between the cutscenes and what you see in the game. Think about the opening battle of Lordaeron…

In the Cutscene Anduinn has legions of troops. But then you get into the actual game and there are what? Dozens? at the most.

But those dozens serve as an abstraction for scale.

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16998

The Battalion they gather in Suramar seems like meaningful numbers to me. Not to mention their force in Isle of Thunder… and the one that was going to counter the Sunreavers in Crystalsong forest before that content got cut.

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16999

You already got Night Elves in Nightborne, so yeah. I really wouldn’t care.

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17000

Plus if Void Elven crack squad is a number for an Allied race, why High Elves which have fielded armies can’t be is beyond me.

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