True, Iam not sure how well received unicorns would be, I’d personally contend that a Fox mount would be more original.
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I dunno man, the people at the end of these credits to the WoW documentary sure seemed into the idea :D
https://youtu.be/xyPzTywUBsQ?t=3555
I'm not personally into unicorns, hilariously enough, but yeah I guess that would be their thing. As rare as a unicorn.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Night Elves at Quel'Danil in the Hinterlands. Refugees from the burning of Teldrassil who traveled to the Hinterlands with the express purpose of creating a new home for themselves in a location with a good number of adjacent allies. In this case they would have the Quel'dorei, Wildhammer Dwarves, and Draenei in the immediate area.
Quel'Danil certainly gives us the best opportunity for High Elves learning Shamanism and Druidism. Those High Elves have abandoned the practice of arcane magic altogether. I think that would impress the Night Elves, and I imagine the Wildhammers would be happy to help their friends find a new power to provide aid and succor to their people.
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Trolls, Worgen and kultirans have shown that new races can be introduced to Druidism, not that far fetched to introduce High elves either.
But you do have a point, it would be icing on the cake but not entirely nessessary
I am trying to say that they would actually need some lore development for them to be druids, more akin to trolls.
Worgen are druids because they had their retcon of being from a different dimension to being ED related.
Kultirans are druids because they learned from the Drust, who were also druids.
What she is saying is that Night Elves could be teaching them to become druids to help overcome their magical addiction through connecting with nature itself. This would give them lore and reasons why they could become such beings. Also they could connect to the Moon wells that the Night Elves have, which could also give a reason.
Edit: she beat me too it.
Worgen are druids because they had their retcon of being from a different dimension to being ED related.
Actually Worgen Druids come from Harvest Witches that basically do nature magic to help crops grow.
They just learned more stuff from the Night Elves.
10/12/2018 06:05 PMPosted by
Wyspers
I am trying to say that they would actually need some lore development for them to be druids, more akin to trolls.
Which could segway into quest lines involving Malfurion say apprehensively (at first) taking one of these upstart magic users under his wing for a day before approving their training under the circle. Lucky day he chose to evaluate you.
Now go kill ten harpies.
No thanks, we can do better than that. But since it involves the night elves, probably not.
10/12/2018 06:10 PMPosted by
Drede
Actually Worgen Druids come from Harvest Witches that basically do nature magic to help crops grow.
They just learned more stuff from the Night Elves.
In the early days of humanity and its civilization, many tribes of humans had primitive belief systems that incorporated simple nature magic. However, the rise of organized religion such as the Holy Light and the potent arcane magics introduced by the high elves quickly supplanted such traditions. Gilneas, due to its relative isolation, has retained a degree of their ancient culture in the contemporary era. The religious leaders of what was in Gilneas referred to as the "old ways" eventually became "harvest-witches"; those who used their nature powers to augment Gilneas' agricultural output during and following its period of industrialization. Due to the presence of harvest-witches in their culture, when Gilneans learned about night elf druids (albeit through second, third and even fourth-hand sources) they became fascinated by them and their exotic connotations
, to the point where many started referring to harvest witches as "druids", though this was quite far from the truth, as few Gilneans had any idea what a druid actually was! Harvest-witches have a limited control over nature, especially plant life, and the powers of harvest witches bear a coincidental resemblance to the low-level abilities of actual druids.
Harvest witches who contracted the worgen curse (which was druidic in origin) found that their powers were somewhat amplified, and after making first contact with the night elves cursed harvest witches were offered induction into the Cenarion Circle for both study and training.-Ask CDev 3
Also Chronicles 1 mentions how the Gilnean Harvest-witches basically were elementary users of druidism and shamanism together. Saying a Harvest-witch is a druid is like saying a Kul'tiran tidesage is a shaman. They are two different things.
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10/12/2018 06:19 PMPosted by
Wyspers
What?
I think he was expressing a concern that Malfurion has more important things to do than to teach a single High Elf the basics of Druidism.
Personally I'd say have Cenarius take on a handful of selected individuals, teach them, and then have them teach other High Elves.
10/12/2018 06:19 PMPosted by
Wyspers
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No thanks, we can do better than that. But since it involves the night elves, probably not.
What?
Anything involving night elves is written horrid.
10/12/2018 06:08 PMPosted by
Alurna
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Night Elves at Quel'Danil in the Hinterlands. Refugees from the burning of Teldrassil who traveled to the Hinterlands with the express purpose of creating a new home for themselves in a location with a good number of adjacent allies. In this case they would have the Quel'dorei, Wildhammer Dwarves, and Draenei in the immediate area.
Quel'Danil certainly gives us the best opportunity for High Elves learning Shamanism and Druidism. Those High Elves have abandoned the practice of arcane magic altogether. I think that would impress the Night Elves, and I imagine the Wildhammers would be happy to help their friends find a new power to provide aid and succor to their people.
What she is saying is that Night Elves could be teaching them to become druids to help overcome their magical addiction through connecting with nature itself. This would give them lore and reasons why they could become such beings. Also they could connect to the Moon wells that the Night Elves have, which could also give a reason.
Edit: she beat me too it.
Please read
In the Shadow of the Sun where it literally says since the Sunwell was reignited, the pain from magic addiction being eased and more high elves are no longer tempted to succumb to it.
This hasnt been a relevant issue since the end of TBC/mid WotLK.
Please read In the Shadow of the Sun where it literally says since the Sunwell was reignited, the pain from magic addiction being eased and more high elves are no longer tempted to succumb to it.
This hasnt been a relevant issue since the end of TBC/mid WotLK.
Read it. That doesn't change the fact that the Quel'Danil High Elves have ceased to practice arcane magic. According to the Sunwell comics (I believe it was those, they showed up in one of the comics), the High Elves of Quel'Danil have abandoned the practice of arcane magic, believing that it was ultimately responsible for the fall of their civilization. This is why the Quel'Danil Lodge lacks any High Elven mage NPCs, and has almost exclusively Rangers.
Just because their addiction is being sated again doesn't really affect their reasoning or decision to stop practicing arcane magic.
10/12/2018 06:38 PMPosted by
Alurna
Read it.
I did.
That doesn't change the fact that the Quel'Danil High Elves have ceased to practice arcane magic.
No, because thats not relative to the point.
Just because their addiction is being sated again doesn't really affect their reasoning or decision to stop practicing arcane magic.
No, it means that the existence of a reignited Sunwell has caused some easing of the pain of magic addiction, along with not succumbing to it.
Writing that the high elves would go to druidism to help with magic addiction would be fine, if it wasnt a non-issue at this point in time of WoW.
I did.
Sorry, I meant, 'read it,' as in, 'I have read it.'
Writing that the high elves would go to druidism to help with magic addiction would be fine, if it wasnt a non-issue at this point in time of WoW.
I... never suggested the High Elves would turn to Druidism to ease their magical addiction? I suggested they would learn it as a means to provide aid and succor to their people, and to further that identity as peasants.
10/12/2018 06:19 PMPosted by
Wyspers
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What?
Anything involving night elves is written horrid.
I think everyone can agree with that, no matter how you feel about NEs haha
10/12/2018 06:49 PMPosted by
Alurna
I... never suggested the High Elves would turn to Druidism to ease their magical addiction? I suggested they would learn it as a means to provide aid and succor to their people, and to further that identity as peasants.
My apologies then. I thought thats where the point was going.
Hmm well, I am unsure on how I personally would feel about High Elf druids mostly because of aesthetics. I'd like nelves to be written better but if they were written in the way I would like someone else will still hate them. Cynicism isn't something worth considering for me then. So a sunset scene with Malfurion introducing a few High Elves to Cenarius would be great.
My apologies then. I thought thats where the point was going.
Fair enough. I can't say it's where my point was going. I suppose Druidism could be a way to cure magical addiction. Balancing magic and nature worked for the Nightborne through the Fruit of the Arcan'dor, after all. Just because the Sunwell is sating the magical addiction doesn't mean the High Elves are no longer addicted to magic.
My thoughts on High Elven Druids is more as a way to establish relations with another Alliance race (Night Elves), as well as further differentiate them from Blood Elves.
10/12/2018 06:55 PMPosted by
Alurna
My apologies then. I thought thats where the point was going.
Fair enough. I can't say it's where my point was going. I suppose Druidism could be a way to cure magical addiction. Balancing magic and nature worked for the Nightborne through the Fruit of the Arcan'dor, after all. Just because the Sunwell is sating the magical addiction doesn't mean the High Elves are no longer addicted to magic.
My thoughts on High Elven Druids is more as a way to establish relations with another Alliance race (Night Elves), as well as further differentiate them from Blood Elves.
This would make for a unique story, I think every body is tired of the Humans getting all of the positive story. Tyrande has been shown to be much more open to outsiders and she has already shown to work with the SC before in suramar. It was noted by the SC “I can’t believe we are working with the Kaldorei, let’s get this over with” but hey they worked well together. The Nightelves have already accepted HighBourne back into their society, High elves are just a little further removed cousin. It would also give a real fist bump move back to the NEs while having a good story for High elves not just being humans with pointy ears haha
Yeah then they retconned the Highborne into Nightborne ... lore is a wreck. So idk what to even think of the Highborne that look identical to Night Elves anymore. There's ancients of arcane or something bonkers in Feralas. People harshed on Pandaria a lot but I think our true enemy was Cataclysm.
OT w/ Druids I can see that being a part of a reunification story between the Night Elves and their long divided kin. Either way I'd like to see a similar story.
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10/12/2018 07:08 PMPosted by
Wyspers
Yeah then they retconned the Highborne into Nightborne ... lore is a wreck. So idk what to even think of the Highborne that look identical to Night Elves anymore. There's ancients of arcane or something bonkers in Feralas. People harshed on Pandaria a lot but I think our true enemy was Cataclysm.
OT w/ Druids I can see that being a part of a reunification story between the Night Elves and their long divided kin. Either way I'd like to see a similar story.
Cataclysm was when blizzard took a blender and inserted lore, and all common sense and hit the smoothie button. It was all yellow red and blue before it went in and all pink when it came out. That’s when lore took a crap now that I think about it.
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