I just like the idea of using their diaspora to build out their differences from Blood Elves. Then really every other race in the game. So if they are to be made different let their story be a part of this. Not everyone wants the same thing. Let that be a part of this too. A warrior can be from the Kirin Tor and a mage can be from Quel'danil. Each tribe has it's unique aspects but now have one banner.
10/12/2018 02:53 PMPosted by MythlorYou guys had a great discussion going on earlier about racials and stuff. Why are you reverting to engaging with attention-seeking trolls?
A fair point. Personally I think racials based on the class options would be terrific.
Rangers: Extend the range of attacks for the High Elf and their Allies by 3 yards.
Mages: A portion of damage/healing done is returned to the High Elf as their primary resources.
Priests: Healing/Damage done to a target is increased by 5/1% 10/2% 15/3% when the target is at 75%, 50%, or 25% HP.
Druid: Chance to double the gain in herbs from gathering.
Shaman: Increased movement speed outdoors by 5%.
10/12/2018 04:52 PMPosted by Tyrandia<span class="truncated">...</span>
But literally the Farstriders, the WC2, and SC have a majority of quel'dorei hunters.
Sure it make make sense for certain classes, but the one they are known for has three different versions.
If they do split it up by tribe/group of origin, they probably wouldnât also tie it to being class specific too.
But I agree the hunter/ranger group is pretty spread out amongst the groups, but maybethats because itâs so central to their theme as a whole.
That's what I am trying to say, if you guys are trying to push the SC...you guys probably will not get the Celtic themed or the adventurer themes.
It's why the quel'dorei needs this culmination of groups and ideas. The Mag'har can do it rather easily because there is a metric !@#$ ton of lore on their different and how they are relevant. We also had a full expansion with them.
The problem with high elves is they arent different tribes. They dont have different practices, dont follow different laws, dont all have different ancestors and histories.
It's why a SC Helf will never have the Alleria tattoos or the rugged features. Since the features are so heavily associated with the other themes. The SC are mage city elves.
10/12/2018 05:02 PMPosted by Alurna10/12/2018 02:53 PMPosted by MythlorYou guys had a great discussion going on earlier about racials and stuff. Why are you reverting to engaging with attention-seeking trolls?
A fair point. Personally I think racials based on the class options would be terrific.
Rangers: Extend the range of attacks for the High Elf and their Allies by 3 yards.
Mages: A portion of damage/healing done is returned to the High Elf as their primary resources.
Priests: Healing/Damage done to a target is increased by 5/1% 10/2% 15/3% when the target is at 75%, 50%, or 25% HP.
Druid: Chance to double the gain in herbs from gathering.
Shaman: Increased movement speed outdoors by 5%.
I mean if they were ever playable they would probably just be Hunters, mages, priests, paladins, rogues, and monks.
I do not see them ever getting Druids simply because they arent associated with the Cenarion Circle or the ED. And you would bet if queldorei got druids, every blood elf player would want them too.
Shamans, maybe.
its the same 5 people obsessively begging and making reasons attacking people and making up stuff and trying to justify all this. im not gonna see this thread again its not worth it. btw switching to your alts to make it seem like your a different person doesn't prove your point.
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If they do split it up by tribe/group of origin, they probably wouldnât also tie it to being class specific too.
But I agree the hunter/ranger group is pretty spread out amongst the groups, but maybethats because itâs so central to their theme as a whole.
That's what I am trying to say, if you guys are trying to push the SC...you guys probably will not get the Celtic themed or the adventurer themes.
It's why the quel'dorei needs this culmination of groups and ideas. The Mag'har can do it rather easily because there is a metric !@#$ ton of lore on their different and how they are relevant. We also had a full expansion with them.
The problem with high elves is they arent different tribes. They dont have different practices, dont follow different laws, dont all have different ancestors and histories.
It's why a SC Helf will never have the Alleria tattoos or the rugged features. Since the features are so heavily associated with the other themes. The SC are mage city elves.
But wouldn't they? I mean.. Dalaran is a human city with mages of varied races. There is many cultures and practices that all of them have that differ greatly from the Elves of Quel'Thalas. Keep in mind, there has been Elves living in Dalaran for over 3000years. This is plenty of time to mix practices and become open minded to other cultures as well. This mixing with those of the natural side is like putting together 2 tribes. And believe it or not, I am certain Dalaran Law would fair quite different then those that live out among the Lodges. I'd also believe those that live is Stormwind would vary from Dalaran as well.
10/12/2018 05:08 PMPosted by IlliasterI do not see them ever getting Druids simply because they arent associated with the Cenarion Circle or the ED.
Highmountain Tauren aren't associated with the Cenarion Circle or Emerald Dream either. I imagine High Elven Druids would be a result of further story progression with Night Elves and their desire to recruit more Druids to tend to the balance of nature.
10/12/2018 05:13 PMPosted by Curemaster...
That's what I am trying to say, if you guys are trying to push the SC...you guys probably will not get the Celtic themed or the adventurer themes.
It's why the quel'dorei needs this culmination of groups and ideas. The Mag'har can do it rather easily because there is a metric !@#$ ton of lore on their different and how they are relevant. We also had a full expansion with them.
The problem with high elves is they arent different tribes. They dont have different practices, dont follow different laws, dont all have different ancestors and histories.
It's why a SC Helf will never have the Alleria tattoos or the rugged features. Since the features are so heavily associated with the other themes. The SC are mage city elves.
But wouldn't they? I mean.. Dalaran is a human city with mages of varied races. There is many cultures and practices that all of them have that differ greatly from the Elves of Quel'Thalas. Keep in mind, there has been Elves living in Dalaran for over 3000years. This is plenty of time to mix practices and become open minded to other cultures as well. This mixing with those of the natural side is like putting together 2 tribes. And believe it or not, I am certain Dalaran Law would fair quite different then those that live out among the Lodges. I'd also believe those that live is Stormwind would vary from Dalaran as well.
Gonna break this down by numbers since mobile posting:
1) Dalaran is still a human kingdom, historically and aesthetically. A majority of their ruling board is humans.
2)There may have been some cultural impact from the queldorei, but it is not exactly shown in its architecture or overall culture. Elves just exist and have been partners in magic.
3) I brought into the Stormwind helves in with the Quelthalas and Dalaran ones because the only ones we see currently are mages in more Quelthalas-esque garb
10/12/2018 05:13 PMPosted by Alurna10/12/2018 05:08 PMPosted by IlliasterI do not see them ever getting Druids simply because they arent associated with the Cenarion Circle or the ED.
Highmountain Tauren aren't associated with the Cenarion Circle or Emerald Dream either. I imagine High Elven Druids would be a result of further story progression with Night Elves and their desire to recruit more Druids to tend to the balance of nature.
They have the blessing of Cenarius. That's the work around, and he is an entity of the ED and the Wilds.
Plus the original tauren are druids.
10/12/2018 05:18 PMPosted by Illiaster1) Dalaran is still a human kingdom, historically and aesthetically. A majority of their ruling board is humans.
2)There may have been some cultural impact from the queldorei, but it is not exactly shown in its architecture or overall culture. Elves just exist and have been partners in magic.
I... what? Really?
You don't see any similarity between, say, the gleaming spires of Quel'Thalas and those of Dalaran? Dalaran is practically a perfect mashing of Thalassian and Human architecture.
10/12/2018 01:52 PMPosted by Tunkaningan<span class="truncated">...</span>
That's great 45 percent alliance in us and 43% in eu and dropping have fun having a one faction game. Don't worry I'll stop posting in 19 days and counting but until then I'll post a lot in hopes of blizz actually listening and giving the alliance something besides another kick in the gut.
I SERIOUSLY doubt this. I bet you are either not telling the truth or will be back in a week. i'd bet 50k.
Sure thing does paypal work as a betting method I could use 50 thousand dollars.
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10/12/2018 05:25 PMPosted by Alurna10/12/2018 05:18 PMPosted by Illiaster1) Dalaran is still a human kingdom, historically and aesthetically. A majority of their ruling board is humans.
2)There may have been some cultural impact from the queldorei, but it is not exactly shown in its architecture or overall culture. Elves just exist and have been partners in magic.
I... what? Really?
You don't see any similarity between, say, the gleaming spires of Quel'Thalas and those of Dalaran? Dalaran is practically a perfect mashing of Thalassian and Human architecture.
I forgot Silvermoon existed. Oops.
10/12/2018 05:08 PMPosted by Illiaster10/12/2018 05:02 PMPosted by Alurna...
A fair point. Personally I think racials based on the class options would be terrific.
Rangers: Extend the range of attacks for the High Elf and their Allies by 3 yards.
Mages: A portion of damage/healing done is returned to the High Elf as their primary resources.
Priests: Healing/Damage done to a target is increased by 5/1% 10/2% 15/3% when the target is at 75%, 50%, or 25% HP.
Druid: Chance to double the gain in herbs from gathering.
Shaman: Increased movement speed outdoors by 5%.
I mean if they were ever playable they would probably just be Hunters, mages, priests, paladins, rogues, and monks.
I do not see them ever getting Druids simply because they arent associated with the Cenarion Circle or the ED. And you would bet if queldorei got druids, every blood elf player would want them too.
Shamans, maybe.
Trolls, Worgen and kultirans have shown that new races can be introduced to Druidism, not that far fetched to introduce High elves either.
But you do have a point, it would be icing on the cake but not entirely nessessary
I'm mixed on giving them druids. On one hand I want a tribute the the "High Elf" archetype which is blue and silver spires, unicorn mounts, and blond hair flipping around in the wind. Not gonna lie this ain't my style at all guys lmfao. But I know a lot of you adore this and I think that's important!
At the same time in my own self-inerterest I'm pretty frustrated with the Night Elf "genocide" line from Elegy. I mean, here we are looking at the High Elf / Blood Elf divide - a real story of holocaust at scale. So it makes sense to me to see the Night Elves and the High Elves have a long drawn out elvish discussion. They are ultimately (and ironically for the antihelfers) the very same race. In that discussion those elves from the lodges can be introduced to druidism once the Night Elves see they have returned to speaking with nature.
This is the Kaldorei Highbone who started the line of Queld'orei:
https://image.ibb.co/dXZ9Dn/Vaanel-Dath-039-Remar.png
Then you all shrunk for some reason. LoL shorties.
At the same time in my own self-inerterest I'm pretty frustrated with the Night Elf "genocide" line from Elegy. I mean, here we are looking at the High Elf / Blood Elf divide - a real story of holocaust at scale. So it makes sense to me to see the Night Elves and the High Elves have a long drawn out elvish discussion. They are ultimately (and ironically for the antihelfers) the very same race. In that discussion those elves from the lodges can be introduced to druidism once the Night Elves see they have returned to speaking with nature.
This is the Kaldorei Highbone who started the line of Queld'orei:
https://image.ibb.co/dXZ9Dn/Vaanel-Dath-039-Remar.png
Then you all shrunk for some reason. LoL shorties.
10/12/2018 05:32 PMPosted by WyspersI'm mixed on giving them druids. On one hand I want a tribute the the "High Elf" archetype which is blue and silver spires, unicorn mounts, and blond hair flipping around in the wind. Not gonna lie this ain't my style at all guys lmfao. But I know a lot of you adore this and I think that's important!
At the same time in my own self-inerterest I'm pretty frustrated with the Night Elf "genocide" line from Elegy. I mean, here we are looking at the High Elf / Blood Elf divide - a real story of holocaust at scale. So it makes sense to me to see the Night Elves and the High Elves have a long drawn out elvish discussion. They are ultimately (and ironically for the antihelfers) the very same race. In that discussion those elves from the lodges can be introduced to druidism once the Night Elves see they have returned to speaking with nature.
Personally I think Druids/Shamans add a nice highlight to Elisande's comments about the High Elves being peasants. The modern Kaldorei were largely peasants in the eyes of the Highborne, for example, and now the Blood Elves/Nightborne consider the High Elves to be as much peasantry as the Kaldorei are. If the High Elves are peasants, so be it. Let them play these classes associated with, 'Peasants.'
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I SERIOUSLY doubt this. I bet you are either not telling the truth or will be back in a week. i'd bet 50k.
Sure thing does paypal work as a betting method I could use 50 thousand dollars.
No, bad human. DO NOT attempt to bribe blizzard *rolls up newspaper*.
10/12/2018 05:32 PMPosted by WyspersI'm mixed on giving them druids. On one hand I want a tribute the the "High Elf" archetype which is blue and silver spires, unicorn mounts, and blond hair flipping around in the wind. Not gonna lie this ain't my style at all guys lmfao. But I know a lot of you adore this and I think that's important!
At the same time in my own self-inerterest I'm pretty frustrated with the Night Elf "genocide" line from Elegy. I mean, here we are looking at the High Elf / Blood Elf divide - a real story of holocaust at scale. So it makes sense to me to see the Night Elves and the High Elves have a long drawn out elvish discussion. They are ultimately (and ironically for the antihelfers) the very same race. In that discussion those elves from the lodges can be introduced to druidism once the Night Elves see they have returned to speaking with nature.
This is the Kaldorei Highbone who started the line of Queld'orei:
https://image.ibb.co/dXZ9Dn/Vaanel-Dath-039-Remar.png
Then you all shrunk for some reason. LoL shorties.
They shrunk because of the absurd amount of magic they were practicing.
10/12/2018 05:28 PMPosted by TyrandiaTrolls, Worgen and kultirans have shown that new races can be introduced to Druidism, not that far fetched to introduce High elves either.
But you do have a point, it would be icing on the cake but not entirely nessessary
I am trying to say that they would actually need some lore development for them to be druids, more akin to trolls.
Worgen are druids because they had their retcon of being from a different dimension to being ED related.
Kultirans are druids because they learned from the Drust, who were also druids.
10/12/2018 06:01 PMPosted by Illiaster
I am trying to say that they would actually need some lore development for them to be druids, more akin to trolls.
Which could segway into quest lines involving Malfurion say apprehensively (at first) taking one of these upstart magic users under his wing for a day before approving their training under the circle. Lucky day he chose to evaluate you.
Now go kill ten harpies.
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10/12/2018 06:01 PMPosted by Illiaster10/12/2018 05:28 PMPosted by TyrandiaTrolls, Worgen and kultirans have shown that new races can be introduced to Druidism, not that far fetched to introduce High elves either.
But you do have a point, it would be icing on the cake but not entirely nessessary
I am trying to say that they would actually need some lore development for them to be druids, more akin to trolls.
Worgen are druids because they had their retcon of being from a different dimension to being ED related.
Kultirans are druids because they learned from the Drust, who were also druids.
If they introduce High elves and decide to make Druids of them, then that story will come out. Unfortunately prolly in a comic, who knows all we can do is speculate :)
I just wonder, how did the Trolls get introduced to Druidism??