The Unofficial High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Finalchaotic-hyjal (Finalchaotic)]

long winded argument trying to defame me… one counter argument.

Provide a citation that high elves and night elves are genetically different…

Also the common anti high elf strategy is to point out that the Nightborne “Evolved over 10,000 years.”

As stated by their wow race page.

Why don’t you stop it with the personal attacks and try to defeat my argument here.

You can keep slandering me, it’s not like it’s improving your argument. Also, I don’t care.

Provide a citation that high elves and night elves are genetically different…

Around this time, they had become completely severed from the life-giving energy of the Well of Eternity. This meant that they were vulnerable to the elements and had not received immortality from Nozdormu and the World Tree. They had shrunk in height and their skin had become a peach hue similar to most dwarves and humans.

Okay.

[Callistus-wyrmrest-accord]

That doesn’t prove they are genetically different.

If I cast arcane intellect on someone they aren’t genetically different.

This is a magical mutation.

Like the one that happened when Blood Elves were exposed to Fel energy.

Are you arguing my point for me?

Am I supposed to switch sides?

Debate pro-tip: Don’t provide citations that back the other guy up.

[Bladinas-scarlet-crusade]

Jeez, I come back after a night’s rest to nearly 100 unread posts and see… this.

I admire your tenacity, but at some point you’ve got to realize that you’re not gonna change some people’s minds.

We come to this thread for a reason. We know what we want. We really don’t give a care what other people think.

You’re kinda wasting your time. Keep having fun I guess.

[Mithlius-proudmoore]

Yeah sure. In Wow they take their liberties with that.

Void Elves are just Voided Blood Elves.

[Callistus-wyrmrest-accord]

They became severed from the well of eternity. They lost their magic source.

So they changed, because Elves change without their Magic source. A dragon locked the Night Elves in.

The Void Elves got hit with a bunch of void energy and their skin changed colors.

Are you seriously trying to argue that skin color is genetics but eye color isn’t?

Is that the plan?

You are all over the place. You don’t know what your argument is. What are you even trying to prove at this point?

[Mithlius-proudmoore]

If Void Elves have a baby, is it a Void Elf? Or a High Elf?

Or would it succumb to the whispers in the womb?

thunkong

[Finalchaotic-hyjal (Finalchaotic)]

They became severed from the well of eternity. They lost their magic source.

So they changed, because Elves change without their Magic source. A dragon locked the Night Elves in.

The Void Elves got hit with a bunch of void energy and their skin changed colors.

Are you seriously trying to argue that skin color is genetics but eye color isn’t?

Is that the plan?

You are all over the place. You don’t know what your argument is. What are you even trying to prove at this point?

So they changed, because Elves change without their Magic source.

Alliance high elves did not change even a single bit, since they willingly severed themselves from the Sunwell

Right. Right.

Are you seriously trying to argue that skin color is genetics

It also says they SHRUNK IN HEIGHT. Their bone structure was also changed.

Right. Right.

but eye color isn’t?

Forgets that there are actual mutations that effect the eyes. Evolution and Mutation, being two different things.

You are doing GREAT. Keep it up

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

You’re kinda wasting your time. Keep having fun I guess.

Their fun is to harass us. Which is why people should learn to ignore them.

[Nindraine-moon-guard (Nindraine)]

Lore states that after The highborne were exiled and cut off from the Well of Eternity, they “evolved”. Genetically. Their hair changed color, their skin, their eyes etc. That, by definition, is evolution. And hence they became “High elves” and founded the High elven city Quel’thalas. At no point in time, did this ever happen again. Other than the 3 I listed (again, going back to only talking of Night elves and High elves).

You know Dath’remar Sunstrider went from Night Elf to High Elf within his lifespan, right?

Hell, there’s only, what…three, four generations between the first High Elves and the current ones? (High Elves never became immortal like the Night Elves did, but they were still extremely long of life)

Magister Umbric is another example. He was changed from Blood Elf to Void Elf within the span of a few minutes.

Blood Elves can become Wretched from ingesting too much magic. Nightborne became Nightfallen from being cut off from the Nightwell, and then Withered from being starved of mana - a process that can take anywhere from a couple of months to a few short hours (RIP Runas the Shamed)

These aren’t evolutionary changes over generations. They’re rapid - sometimes instant - mutations based on exposure to various magics.

[Finalchaotic-hyjal (Finalchaotic)]

You’re kinda wasting your time. Keep having fun I guess.

Their fun is to harass us. Which is why people should learn to ignore them.

Harasses people for making Blood elf topics about eye colors

You don’t say.

[Finalchaotic-hyjal (Finalchaotic)]

Lore states that after The highborne were exiled and cut off from the Well of Eternity, they “evolved”. Genetically. Their hair changed color, their skin, their eyes etc. That, by definition, is evolution. And hence they became “High elves” and founded the High elven city Quel’thalas. At no point in time, did this ever happen again. Other than the 3 I listed (again, going back to only talking of Night elves and High elves).

You know Dath’remar Sunstrider went from Night Elf to High Elf within his lifespan, right?

Hell, there’s only, what…three, four generations between the first High Elves and the current ones? (High Elves never became immortal like the Night Elves did, but they were still extremely long of life)

Magister Umbric is another example. He was changed from Blood Elf to Void Elf within the span of a few minutes.

Blood Elves can become Wretched from ingesting too much magic. Nightborne became Nightfallen from being cut off from the Nightwell, and then Withered from being starved of mana - a process that can take anywhere from a couple of months to a few short hours (RIP Runas the Shamed)

These aren’t evolutionary changes over generations. They’re rapid - sometimes instant - mutations based on exposure to various magics.

Thank you all for this eye opening experience. I am going to go sleep like a baby now

[Bladinas-scarlet-crusade]

Their fun is to harass us. Which is why people should learn to ignore them.

Yeah, that is typically the best option. I need to help out my Aunt with her shelves anyway. So I’ll take my leave for a while. Maybe things will calm down.

[Nindraine-moon-guard (Nindraine)]

Side note: NGL I’m a bit disappointed when Tyrande met Jaina’s forces before the Battle of Mount Hyjal back in RoC that she didn’t at least spend a few hours trying to get over the freaky, short, pasty Night Elves Jaina had brought with her.

Arcane magic. Not even once.

[Callistus-wyrmrest-accord]

…alright. this is getting painful.

Let me help you out.

We are debating whether High Elves and Blood Elves are a different race.

That means that the debate has to take place in the framework of World of Warcraft.

When you are talking about genetics, dna, natural eye color mutations, that’s all real life stuff. There is no evidence that it exists in wow. Do human’s have different eyes and faces in wow? Sure. Is it due to genetics or dna? Unstated.

So that stuff doesn’t matter. Are you going to argue that face 7 with the blue eyes is genes and dna? Does that mean every human withe face 7 is a clone?

If we are deciding whether or not two different groups are different races in wow, we have to go by WoW rules.

This weaving in and out of real life genetics arguments and wow genetics arguments, whIle making ad homing attacks is a bad look. It’s some real wimp-lo my balls against your fist style stuff.

So, to make your argument clear to you, because apparently I have too…

You have to argue that Blood Elves and High Elves are the same race within the framework of how races work in WoW.

I’m going to explain to you why they are separate races, within the framework of wow. Not that I even need too, because it doesn’t matter for High Elves to become playable.

I just enjoy the argument.

I’ve explained to you how cosmology works in wow and how it “Evolves” races.

Natural selection isn’t a thing in wow. Other than Mantid there are no races that have changed because they saw a desirable trait in another species and procreated.

Garona Half-Orcen is an orc. Despite the fact she is half Draenei.
The only Half elf in any of that art that has different features from Elves is a blue dragon.

That stuff doesn’t work here.

Do you understand now how you have to do this?

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

Last night, I was bored and went to Stormwind, maybe to RP a bit with anyone around. Found a friend by coincidence in Lion’s Rest and we started to RP a casual talk, just an update on our characters.

Then, we were found by a paladin and a monk harassers who pretended to be “roleplaying” as well, but were just flooding the chat, throwing spells and using mounts and toys to disrupt our talk.

They stood there, doing nothing but harassing us for almost an hour, while we ignored them, until we decided to leave (and not just move to another place, as they would follow us around).

Two guys wasted almost an hour just to spoil the fun of others.

This is pretty much what these guys try to do in our thread. They are not here to express an opinion, but to challenge ours. They are not here to discuss, but to disrupt discussion. And we really need to learn to ignore them.

[Mithlius-proudmoore]

Been telling you this for 10 months.

I only respond to those who are at least willing to discuss.

Unless I want to meme.

[Lavinya-moon-guard]

And we really need to learn to ignore them.

It’d be easier if they implemented the ignore function already, but alas.

Also, I’d love to see people who insist on “muh biology” explain how elves and humans can produce children without being the same species.

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

I usually give anyone the benefit of the doubt, but once arguments start devolving (like the non-sense about genetics and evolution) or they start throwing non-facts as truth, I just ignore them.

I’m perfectly fine with someone saying they do not want high elves or think high elves shouldn’t be playable. It’s their opinion. What clearly makes a troll is when they try to force their opinion as if it were some kind of science, and they will ignore, exagerate, make up or twist lore to fit their wishes. No one can win an argument against dishonest people.

It’d be easier if they implemented the ignore function already, but alas.

Yes, it would be, but, since there isn’t, you need to learn to control yourselves. Arguing with this people is not worth it. You are just going to get yourself frustrated.

[Callistus-wyrmrest-accord]

I love to debate… and never think I’m going to change the other posters mind…

So it’s all a show. It’s not for the other guy. I’m not going to convince him. Quite the opposite, they will typically actually double down and believe what they believe even harder than they did before.

Which is fine, because I’ve got the full weight of WoW’s Lore behind me. They can argue headcanon all they want. At the end of the day you can play wow and go see what I’m talking about, view it in wowhead, read it in a book.

So the rest is just wrecking people for the entertainment of the lurkers and other posters here. It’s an arena.

I’m not recommending other people do that. Though you areally all very good at it now, because you are all well versed in the lore.

Just saying that what may seem pointless isn’t pointless.

Has a lot to do with when I choose to engage with Fyre too. Anybody reading this thread knows what she is. But sometimes she sets herself up for a good public flogging. Sometimes you can even embarrass her enough that she leaves for a few days. She’s not immune to responses. Haha. Even she knows when her trolling is going really badly.

[Callistus-wyrmrest-accord]

It is pleasantly surprising when you run into someone with an open mind though. I have convinced people. Not trolls. But occasionally you do change a mind.