Fires up a bodacious blunt; takes a truly epic hit from it
Y’know, smoking these is the only way I,ma be a ‘High Elf’.
My eyes glow golden, yes.
But Lor’themar is my Regent Lord.
My alliegance is to the Horde(of Saurfang).
I am Blood Elf.
There no playable High Elves in this game; speaking as to race.
The end.
Finally exhales, flipping hair magnificently as he does
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If the person coming here is ready and open to understand what we actually want, i will try to explain my points and how things work for us, a debate is fine and i will show that i’m open to understand others concerns, yesterday a poster said he started to understand our views and why we defend High Elves as a playable race. If this is not the case and the person just came here to nay say and it’s very convinced in standing in our way for logical reasons or not (mostly not) i don’t think it’s worth giving attention, i will not going to change this person opinion so better don’t bother, i not a fan of circular debates.
In case i will ask people if they want to understand what we actually want and try to ease and understand their concerns.
I sincerely doubt you smoke.
You don’t appreciate High Elves.
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Oh, go clean your beard.
Flips hair
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Hey, chill man. Elenedhel is a pretty pretty rad dude.
I like how Fyre likes to quote the last few sentences of the WoW encyclopedia, but ignores
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As far as my understanding goes, about 1% of what used to be the high elf population did not follow to become blood elf or sate their hunger with Druidic magic. Within that 1% there have likely been many more deaths through battles or natural causes… So are there even enough pureblood highelves to justify making it a playable race? Let alone being specifically an alliance race? From what I’ve read there is no high elf civilization, while there are still highelves, they tend to live amung human colonies or nightelven.
I have an open mind and I honestly don’t really care whether or not they become a race I just want to know more lore specifically behind highelves
This thread was much better a few hundred posts ago, when it was all discussion of potential narrative directions – just slap the trolls with a ![:white_flag:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/white_flag.png?v=6" ":white_flag:")
, and ignore their commentary.
I’d much rather, as would Blizzard I’m sure, see discussion like this:
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Well the only elves that died from the Sunwell’s defilement were actually very few. Only the very elderly, the very young, and the already sick/dying.
As far as numbers are concerned, its been shown that numbers really don’t matter that much when it comes to allied races. The Void elves were a “crack elite squad” of blood elves that number in the dozens, and the same could be said about the Mag’har and the Lightforged.
The actual High Elf numbers (at least in-game) are in the 300’s according to the headcount I’m personally making. I’d link the list here, but I’m pretty sure you don’t want to be bothered with an extremely long post just about names and numbers… Unless you want to be!
Anything else you want to know? I’d be happy to answer to the best of my ability.
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Well. When they wrote the High Elf entry for WoW Encyclopedia they said that the High Elves were scattered.
The Silver Covenant works against that. So some of the information is old.
Ignore WoW population numbers. they’re meaningless.
Ever play the Warcraft RTS?
You can shipwreck on an island, but as long as you’ve got a farm a gold mine and some trees you can eventually zerg anything.
Tauren, Darkspear Trolls, Draenei, Mag’Har Orcs and Void Elves have pathetically low populations.
Also 1% of a remaining population is potentially massive. 1% of India or China’s population is 60 million people.
But I wouldn’t pay attention to it.
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Thank you. I’ll put population aside… But reading through this thread it seems assumed that high elves would be an alliance race. There any reasoning why? Do they have a hatred or anything toward the blood elves or even nightborne (which were highborne… Not sure if that’s the same as highelf)
It was a meme joke.
Well to start it’s the fact that they represented the Alliance on multiple counts (in opposition to the Blood Elves) … as well as their general allegiance to the Alliance even now in BFA through Alleria, multiple High Elf NPC in warfronts and cities, and the ONLY non-playable representation in island expedition teams which are supposed to represent factional conflict.
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Because they are already part of the Alliance. We even see them as members of the 7th Legion.
There are three major groups of High Elves - the Silver Covenant, the Highvale Elves and the Allerian Elves. All of these are members of the Alliance. After Dalaran, Quel’danil lodge and the Allerian Stronghold, the place where you see the most High Elves is probably Stormwind.
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Check out the Silver Covenant.
They literally fed some Blood Elves to Sharks.
They’ve duked it out in the Isle of the Thunder and barely avoided coming to blows in Suramar.
Cut content, but they were going to fight the Sin’dorei in Crystalsong forest too.
Blood Elf culture is really different from High Elf culture.
Blood Elves aren’t High Elves… that seems to be a major issue people are having in comprehending what’s going on.
Like… Mayans and Aztecs are similar but they’re two separate tribes in real life.
The Blood Elves are the Aztecs.
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Thanks all for the information. Does anyone by chance know the relation between high elves and highborne? (nightborne before they bubbled themselves off). Are they not the same?
Highborne were the upper class Night Elves
The majority of them got exiled from Kalimdor and went to settle on northern Eastern Kingdoms. During the voyage, they underwent some weird bodily changes (became shorter, paler, etc.) and became the original High Elves. These would later “split” into the Blood Elves and the modern High Elves. Split’s in quotes because it wasn’t a single event.
The remainder of the Highborne either were transformed into the Naga, stayed bubbled up in Suramar for 10 thousand years and became Nightborne, or remained hidden in Kalimdor for 10 thousand years (the Shen’dralar) and rejoined Night Elf society in Cataclysm.
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Faction is one of the big defining traits between High Elves and Blood Elves.
When Silvermoon was sacked by the Scourge, Kaelthas united what he could of his people and renamed his people Blood Elves (Sin’dorei) in the name of the fallen and proceeded to take his people in a different direction.
Some of the elves disagreed with this direction and were exiled because of it. Others were simply not even in Silvermoon at the time due to not considering it their home anymore or other reasons. (Dalaran, Kalimdor, other parts of the Eastern Kingdoms, etc.)
To simplify the events of Warcraft III, the Blood elves “left” the Alliance and began to siphon magic from other creatures and even demons. The surviving High Elves clang onto the Alliance and eventually the Blood elves joined the Horde.
Of course many High Elves never left the Alliance to begin with and viewed the whole ordeal as betrayal by the Blood elves, so bad blood formed and they’ve never really have gotten along since. That’s basically the jist of it.
The High Elves are descendants of a sect of Highborne lead by Dath’remar Sunstrider. Long story short Dath’remar and his followers were exiled to the Eastern Kingdoms because they refused to give up practicing magic.
The seperation from the Well of Eternity caused the Highborne elves to grow shorter, their skin to become pale, and eventually evolve into what we know as High Elves.
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The specific High Elves we are asking for are not Blood Elves, nor are they Void Elves.
They are Thalassian Elves that remained with the Alliance and did not take up the mantle of Blood Elves and join the Horde. Nor did these specific Thalassian elves become transformed through an accident involving an Ethereal into Void Elves.
The specific High Elves we are asking for are the ones that continue to call themselves High Elves and continue to be members of the Alliance to this day.
High Elves are already part of the Alliance as NPC’s. We just want them to be playable.
The countered arguments bear repeating:
They are biologically the same race - Not relevant because they exist on both factions, and have cultural and political differences. Pandaren exist on both factions as well and stand as an example that this is not a relevant argument. And before anyone erroneously claims Blizzard thinks Pandaren were a mistake, in truth, no current Blizzard employee has ever said such a thing as far as we know. After leaving Blizzard, a former employee once said he thought they were a mistake, but that is one former employee’s opinion and not one ever corroborated by anyone while employed at Blizzard.
They look the same - They don’t have to. Simple things like a unique idle stance, different hair styles, and different customization options all address the silhouette issue and none of those things require any sort of physiological or magical excuse to justify. Also, currently a Void Elf in full armor has an identical silhouette to a Blood Elf in the same full armor. A unique idle stance alone would make the High Elf silhouette noticeably different from either.
High Elves detract from the Blood Elf story - No they really don’t. High Elves have their own story to tell that has nothing to do with Blood Elves beyond the point of their split. That is the story that High Elves have to tell and should be focused on.
High Elves are already playable on the Horde - Blood Elves are playable on the Horde. The High Elves being asked for currently exist as NPC’s on the Alliance faction. We are asking for those High Elves to be made playable.
There is no logical justification to oppose playable Alliance High Elves.
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Okay I think I understand. So those people who say “you can play highelf they are called blood elf” aren’t entirely wrong haha. Now I’m curious about something. Since kaelthas renamed his people to blood elves are they still the same race as highelves? Meaning can highelves and blood elves still breed with each other? Haha I mean blood elf I’m sure have a much diff culture now and practices but they are still physiologically the same?
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