The Unofficial High Elf Discussion Megathread

10/11/2018 10:49 PMPosted by Selesnya
10/11/2018 12:49 PMPosted by Tunkaningan
Just putting this out there. IF blizzard were to force some kinda elf thing on us and we got to choose the poison. I'd rather void elves get a voidy fair skin version. Not entirely without void marks but fair enough that it satisfies the people complaining. They are still named void Elf and they retain all void elf things like hair/eyes except they have fairer skin+a purple/black streak across arms/chest/face or legs.


I don't find this unreasonable personally. THIS is the concept that got me excited for Void Elves initially. I don't mind them all that much now, but they feel one dimensional visually that only fits the class fantasy of half their specs.

I also like the fair to void look Talendrion referred to and I agree they need to still have some void presence in their visage. I'm more concerned with their hair colors and styles though personally as I would like to have a few more traditional blood elf styles as well as a few lighter colors, in exchange the Blood Elves could have a couple of the void elves styles and beards.

All in all though, I still stand with the pros at the end of the day as a supporter of all three Thalassian groups as I feel each of those groups have their story to tell and one groups progress should not be beholden to another's.


It's not a bad idea to say void elves down the line manage to grasp and get a hold of their corruption and are able to revert much like how Alleria switches back and forth in and out of combat, that being said, I'm more for the idea of High Elves being their own thing entirely.

I feel as though offering void elves the chance to revert back to appearing like High Elves would be much like allowing Blood Elves to get blue eyes again. It just sort of.. takes away from their history and the struggles they've had to endure, you know? Let blood elves be blood elves, and void elves spawn a fascinating story in the future for themselves both in their own visually distinct ways imo.
I don't see them doing the half-void, half-High Elf thing at this point. It seems more likely they intentionally kept the two separate in order to save High Elves for a rainy day or dip in subs.
10/11/2018 09:17 PMPosted by Tinicor
I already am a High elf. High elf = blood elf.
Wrong you are only a Blood Elf... I can't wait for the day that High Elves are available in game to play as.
10/12/2018 01:03 AMPosted by Orctang
10/11/2018 09:17 PMPosted by Tinicor
I already am a High elf. High elf = blood elf.
Wrong you are only a Blood Elf... I can't wait for the day that High Elves are available in game to play as.


IKR? I'm not sure why people think a Fel Elf is the same as a "Mag'har" Elf.
10/12/2018 12:57 AMPosted by Gulrum
I don't see them doing the half-void, half-High Elf thing at this point. It seems more likely they intentionally kept the two separate in order to save High Elves for a rainy day or dip in subs.


Seems like it. They already hit the "Make allied races easier to get" mark for the legion ones. (Not that I'm not appreciative) though rather than go with what anyone said, they went with a double rep amount so.. yay. 150 instead of 75. I shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth I suppose though, even if I already unlocked what I wanted.
Would you guys settle for Highmountain Elves? Beefy blood elves with antlers?

I kid, sorry
10/12/2018 02:46 AMPosted by Eevee
Would you guys settle for Highmountain Elves? Beefy blood elves with antlers?

I kid, sorry


*Thinking emote* Would that look like Lor'themar with antlers?

Or a furless Tauren?
10/12/2018 02:46 AMPosted by Eevee
Would you guys settle for Highmountain Elves? Beefy blood elves with antlers?

I kid, sorry


Well, if they had that Night Elf derived model, had druids and antlers I certainly wouldn't have any complaints.

Have the High Elves pledge themselves to Cenarius in exchange for a closer relationship to the natural world, and making them buff like their Night Elf kin.

I would definitely not hate this.
10/12/2018 01:24 AMPosted by Gulrum
10/12/2018 01:03 AMPosted by Orctang
...Wrong you are only a Blood Elf... I can't wait for the day that High Elves are available in game to play as.


IKR? I'm not sure why people think a Fel Elf is the same as a "Mag'har" Elf.


They are no longer "fel"-elves. Blood Elves had green eyes because of an unpure well. They cleansed it and now you have the option to have golden eyes. This is because an elves eyes will turn whatever color of the magic they are using most. Elves are very susceptible to magical influences. Hence why Blood Elves and High Elves are now incredibly shorter than their cousins with prolonged magic use. Since the well is now both arcane and holy, though arguably more holy then honestly... we should be allowed the option for blue eyes. Especially if your elf is a mage. They would be using arcane (blue) more than holy. In their day to day life is Arcane usage compared to a few trips to the well. There is no "maghar" elf. Since there are no lasting effects of what magic they used and it's reversible.
10/12/2018 03:49 AMPosted by Tunkaningan
10/12/2018 01:24 AMPosted by Gulrum
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IKR? I'm not sure why people think a Fel Elf is the same as a "Mag'har" Elf.


They are no longer "fel"-elves. Blood Elves had green eyes because of an unpure well. They cleansed it and now you have the option to have golden eyes. This is because an elves eyes will turn whatever color of the magic they are using most. Elves are very susceptible to magical influences. Hence why Blood Elves and High Elves are now incredibly shorter than their cousins with prolonged magic use. Since the well is now both arcane and holy, though arguably more holy then honestly... we should be allowed the option for blue eyes. Especially if your elf is a mage. They would be using arcane (blue) more than holy. In their day to day life is Arcane usage compared to a few trips to the well. There is no "maghar" elf. Since there are no lasting effects of what magic they used and it's reversible.


I can see your argument being valid for mages only really but I don't see it as enough to justify it for the entire race. Warlock especially would make no sense since fel is what made their eyes green anyway.

Golden was added with the sunwell lore but it's predominantly holy therefore gold eyes not blue. It's basically a pool of holy lemonade now and you can't just solely the water in it when you take in the sunwell's energy.

I thank you for the non trolly arguement at least, it's refreshing
10/12/2018 03:49 AMPosted by Tunkaningan

They are no longer "fel"-elves. Blood Elves had green eyes because of an unpure well. They cleansed it and now you have the option to have golden eyes. This is because an elves eyes will turn whatever color of the magic they are using most. Elves are very susceptible to magical influences. Hence why Blood Elves and High Elves are now incredibly shorter than their cousins with prolonged magic use. Since the well is now both arcane and holy, though arguably more holy then honestly... we should be allowed the option for blue eyes. Especially if your elf is a mage. They would be using arcane (blue) more than holy. In their day to day life is Arcane usage compared to a few trips to the well. There is no "maghar" elf. Since there are no lasting effects of what magic they used and it's reversible.


Ah yes, the eevies of warcraft, if eevies could violently evolve into different elements.

But on a more serious note, you're very correct that a mage would certainly revolve more around arcane usage than holy, but I don't think what they use practically is what they use to sustain themselves (if that were the case, arcane mages would still be able to use their arcane magics to treat their withdrawal, no?).

I believe that what sustains them is what comes from the well, and that is holy. I don't know if there's anything arcane coming out of that well at all anymore, but if you're in the mood to do some digging I'd be appreciative (I'll do it eventually, I'm just trying to level up a bit more on an alt before bed).

So thus, they get the option for green eyes (since they can syphon their own sources, and story-wise it was fel), or become a modern day holy sunwell siphoner in my opinion.
10/12/2018 04:16 AMPosted by Arisran
10/12/2018 03:49 AMPosted by Tunkaningan

They are no longer "fel"-elves. Blood Elves had green eyes because of an unpure well. They cleansed it and now you have the option to have golden eyes. This is because an elves eyes will turn whatever color of the magic they are using most. Elves are very susceptible to magical influences. Hence why Blood Elves and High Elves are now incredibly shorter than their cousins with prolonged magic use. Since the well is now both arcane and holy, though arguably more holy then honestly... we should be allowed the option for blue eyes. Especially if your elf is a mage. They would be using arcane (blue) more than holy. In their day to day life is Arcane usage compared to a few trips to the well. There is no "maghar" elf. Since there are no lasting effects of what magic they used and it's reversible.


Ah yes, the eevies of warcraft, if eevies could violently evolve into different elements.

But on a more serious note, you're very correct that a mage would certainly revolve more around arcane usage than holy, but I don't think what they use practically is what they use to sustain themselves (if that were the case, arcane mages would still be able to use their arcane magics to treat their withdrawal, no?).

I believe that what sustains them is what comes from the well, and that is holy. I don't know if there's anything arcane coming out of that well at all anymore, but if you're in the mood to do some digging I'd be appreciative (I'll do it eventually, I'm just trying to level up a bit more on an alt before bed).

So thus, they get the option for green eyes (since they can syphon their own sources, and story-wise it was fel), or become a modern day holy sunwell siphoner in my opinion.


I remember that High Elves would draw magic out of non living objects around Dalaran and use that to sustain themselves.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/races/blood-elf Paragraph 4 last sentence.
10/12/2018 04:20 AMPosted by Tunkaningan


I remember that High Elves would draw magic out of non living objects around Dalaran and use that to sustain themselves.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/races/blood-elf Paragraph 4 last sentence.


That's fascinating. So it's a font of both light and arcane magics. That makes the next paragraph confusing though.

"Inspired by the Sunwell’s rebirth, the blood elves have since entered into a shining new era in their ancient race’s history. Although some elves remain hesitant to abandon their dependence on arcane magic, others have embraced change for the betterment of Quel’Thalas. Yet only time will tell if the blood elves can avoid repeating the tragic mistakes of their past."

So it explains why some have gold eyes, and some have green still, and that relying on the Sunwell means abandoning an arcane dependence. Unless I'm reading that wrong? A font of both arcane and holy, but to use it means sacrificing their reliance on the arcane.

If we were going to also go into gameplay reasons as to why it would be awkward to give Blood Elves blue eyes, it would be because newer players, or those not brushed up on the lore would wonder why there are "blood elves" on the Alliance, and further misconstrue the idea that Blood Elves are some sort of neutral race or something, rather than placing a stark divide with eye color reflecting what sort of elf they are and what paths they have chosen and why they are on the Alliance.

Edit: bedtime, but I will def be checking back in for your input. This is awesome stuff to talk about.
10/11/2018 10:28 PMPosted by Gulrum
10/11/2018 09:22 PMPosted by Wallurian
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If I remember correctly wasn't there a high elf boss in the nexus dungeon in Northrend that had a backstory of when she was Kael'thas's teacher and she was upset for Kael to betray the Kirin Tor?

It shows that only High Elves that have changed are the Blood Elves and Kael'thas's forces while rest still remain Quel'dorei within the Kirin Tor, Still living with their old allies like Humans and Dwarves in Stormwind and some ledges in the Alliance Areas and etc.


Yep, Blood Elves have already changed entirely. The orange/red skin tones and hair colors, the fel green eyes, the aggressive demeanor, all symptoms of fel poisoning.

This is why Blood Elves are not High Elves. Saying that would be like saying the Orgrimmar Orcs are Mag'har Orcs. If that is the case, then why are Mag'har playable?


Adding on. The blood elf wiki has a speculation section, i know i know just speculation, about blood elves evolving away from their original high elf race.

Separated more by cultural differences than physiological ones, it has since been determined that they are, in fact, beginning to evolve into a separate race, due largely to their consumption of mana from primarily fel sources.
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10/12/2018 03:10 AMPosted by Selesnya
10/12/2018 02:46 AMPosted by Eevee
Would you guys settle for Highmountain Elves? Beefy blood elves with antlers?

I kid, sorry


Well, if they had that Night Elf derived model, had druids and antlers I certainly wouldn't have any complaints.

Have the High Elves pledge themselves to Cenarius in exchange for a closer relationship to the natural world, and making them buff like their Night Elf kin.

I would definitely not hate this.

These are the kind of compromises that we are willing to make, and personally I’d stop asking for High elves if I could race change to NE as a Paladin haha :)
10/10/2018 06:25 PMPosted by Drede
10/10/2018 06:17 PMPosted by Jainadain
but that didn't happen its to late they have said countless times no


They never said no.

They said no plans in the near future but anything can happen.

Know what the did say no on? Flying, Classic Servers, Heritage Armor for old races.

Things change.


Then why haven't you gotten them? If they're "the most requested race since the beginning of WoW", then why after 14 years of development, new and expanded lore, additional races, etc, have they not added them? Please, answer me that.

Blizzard not adding them after ALL THIS TIME speaks volumes. If you choose to not see that fact, then that's on you.
10/12/2018 06:54 AMPosted by Capncavebass
Please, answer me that.


Because the lead game developer, Ion, who makes the final calls on things for the game, doesn't even have the Double-Agent achievement, and therefor doesn't see for himself just how integrated High Elves are into the Alliance. All he hears is his Horde pals talking about, "taking our race from us."
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10/12/2018 07:03 AMPosted by Alurna
Because the lead game developer, Ion, who makes the final calls on things for the game, doesn't even have the Double-Agent achievement, and therefor doesn't see for himself just how integrated High Elves are into the Alliance. All he hears is his Horde pals talking about, "taking our race from us."


Ahh, good to know you can read his mind. I guess than answers my question then. Carry on.
10/12/2018 06:54 AMPosted by Capncavebass


Then why haven't you gotten them? If they're "the most requested race since the beginning of WoW", then why after 14 years of development, new and expanded lore, additional races, etc, have they not added them? Please, answer me that.

Blizzard not adding them after ALL THIS TIME speaks volumes. If you choose to not see that fact, then that's on you.


It's because we were added back during the Burning Crusade, they just refuse to acknowledge it.

10/12/2018 07:06 AMPosted by Capncavebass


Ahh, good to know you can read his mind. I guess than answers my question then. Carry on.


Logic is inconvenient. Plus, remember, they know better than the developers and that's going to win them so many brownie points yay?
10/12/2018 07:06 AMPosted by Capncavebass
10/12/2018 07:03 AMPosted by Alurna
Because the lead game developer, Ion, who makes the final calls on things for the game, doesn't even have the Double-Agent achievement, and therefor doesn't see for himself just how integrated High Elves are into the Alliance. All he hears is his Horde pals talking about, "taking our race from us."


Ahh, good to know you can read his mind. I guess than answers my question then. Carry on.


I mean, if you want me to? -Focuses on Ion's Mind-

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