10/11/2018 12:15 PMPosted by
Alurna
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If World Quests are important, keep in mind Vereesa had some on Argus.
Ok good. This is also 7.3, not 7.1. Vereesa does have WQs, but its less her being prominent and more her being aboard the VIndicaar due to Alleria coming back.
If you think this is a stretch, I want to point out the examples of Liadrin and Aethas being on the Vindicaar other than being there.
Again, their relevance to the questing experience, nor the specific narrative, is irrelevant to the fact they still exist as a faction of their own.
This is just questing experience. This is gameplay and lore experience. IN LORE, THEY DO NOTHING in Suramar.
You could have changed ANY INSTANCE of the Silver Covenant with another races, yet the POINT is that they were used instead, that they are the ones that keep showing up.
Not really. You cannot exactly say that about the instances where the SC have appeared.
WotLK? No, they were the Alliance Dalaran faction.
Cataclysm? No, because they were involved with Zul'Aman and Silvermoon is still their home.
MoP? Same as WotLK
Legion? Unseen Path was going the ways of the four elven archer groups, and no other group would make sense to add for the Insurrection (though, they could have not been involved either).
It's disingenuous to have them pass a litmus test of relevance necessary to be an Allied Race, when other AR races do not.
I do believe there should be. Its why I really doubt we are gonna get Jinyu or Hozen ever as a AR; because they arent relevant to BFA in its current iteration and they have had zero development outside of MoP.
Its why the Taunka will probably never be a AR, because they havent existed outside of WotLK.
The point is not that the SC is a necessity of the narrative, but that they keep showing, as their own specific faction, on it.
But you need a narrative for an AR, or else why the !@#$ is there a story quest line to unlock them?
Look at all the Allied races, they all have some current narrative or direction for them. Why do you think the void elves have taken such a prominent role in the War Campaign for Alliance for a good period of time? Because they HAD NOTHING besides "prove ourselves to Alliance."
The fact that they keep showing up is what makes them thematically relevant, continuously so. Do you know what would stop making the SC or High Elves relevant? If they stopped showing up.
So are the pandaren more relevant than the high elves?
I am just gonna say that.. Void Elves have absolutely no relevance in any of legion until the very end. Also, the same goes for Light Forged. So trying to drag this out that High Elves need any more relevance to become playable by means of what happened in Legion is really silly.
The High Elves had done more in the entire history of lore in WoW, with the Alliance, then either of those two other Allied races. So to continue this argument is rather pointless. That's the whole reason High Elves are being asked for so much. Void Elves came from no where at all and made no relative sense. It seems little more then forced story to give alliance something along the lines of Light and Dark themes. They could have easily done this with the Broken on Argus which actually had more sense too them.
Official lore btw. Not my opinion btw.
Lore for an individual NPC, not a faction.
And let's not start with the "holistic health of the game"
Its kind of the most important thing to any game being good in any kind of sustainable way.
Official lore btw. Not my opinion btw.
Lore for an individual NPC, not a faction.
You seem to keep missing the fact that High Elves were spread out during the Fall of Quel'Thalas, and the Renaming of the Blood Elves. You do realize there were people who looked down upon Keal'thas for not being there during the fall and refused to follow him?
Of course, had you read through out the post you would have known that, because it has been repeated several times. High Elves do exist outside of Sin'dorei and Ren'dorei races. They have always been with the Alliance. Just because a Prince of Quel'Thalas renamed them, doesn't mean that's what they all became. If that were the case, all Kul'tiran should just be humans.
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Lore for an individual NPC, not a faction.
You seem to keep missing the fact that High Elves were spread out during the Fall of Quel'Thalas, and the Renaming of the Blood Elves. You do realize there were people who looked down upon Keal'thas for not being there during the fall and refused to follow him?
Of course, had you read through out the post you would have known that, because it has been repeated several times. High Elves do exist outside of Sin'dorei and Ren'dorei races. They have always been with the Alliance. Just because a Prince of Quel'Thalas renamed them, doesn't mean that's what they all became. If that were the case, all Kul'tiran should just be humans.
Don't stress too much, s/he's basically trolling from thereon after making a gibberish argument lul
If High Elves would "rob" the poor, poor Blood Elves of something, then I demand that the Nightborne leave the Horde and become the first neutral Allied Race. The Shen'dralar Highborne are Alliance allies and have been since Cataclysm. Why does Horde get to play an Alliance ally's theme?
Not only was the model straight up taken from Alliance and given to the Horde, so was the lore of the Shen'dralar. Horde stole from Alliance twice, but those poor, poor picked on people can't possibly be expected to share their toys too!
There's Undead Night Elves now too. Forsaken nelfs. Voice overs just "leaked":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dHXktdNYzU
Them blurred lines and "holistic" whatever lmfao ... how long until we start seeing undead ancients running around too? What's next guys, war glaives for the Horde? Elune = The Earth Mother after all epic story arc?
High Elves for the Alliance.
ELF VULT (I really like this battlecry)
10/11/2018 08:28 PMPosted by
Wyspers
There's Undead Night Elves now too. Forsaken nelfs. Voice overs just "leaked":
"Believe in nothing."
I mean that seems par for the course for the writing.
yeah they don't believe in elune anymore or whatever. it's so bad.
Oh thank god they extended it. I was waiting around like >_>;
(I just had an idea regarding nelf undead but I should probably make a new post about it since it doesn't have to do with helfs)
Back on topic though;
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Lore for an individual NPC, not a faction.
You seem to keep missing the fact that High Elves were spread out during the Fall of Quel'Thalas, and the Renaming of the Blood Elves. You do realize there were people who looked down upon Keal'thas for not being there during the fall and refused to follow him?
Of course, had you read through out the post you would have known that, because it has been repeated several times. High Elves do exist outside of Sin'dorei and Ren'dorei races. They have always been with the Alliance. Just because a Prince of Quel'Thalas renamed them, doesn't mean that's what they all became. If that were the case, all Kul'tiran should just be humans.
To add to this from something else I read, there are actually helves that also came from the original population of people who would be otherwise blood elves as well (the ones who were actually there during the assult by Arthas)
Taken from the wiki:
"Most of the remaining "high" elves had chosen to remain with the Alliance following the Second War, and did not return to their kingdom following the Third.[7] When Grand Magister Rommath returned to Quel'Thalas to teach them Kael's magic siphoning ways, some elves were disgusted by the practice — likening it to vampiric behavior — and opposed its use. Unable to lead a divided nation, Regent Lord Lor'themar exiled the dissenters from the kingdom, the exiles finding residence in Quel'Lithien."
Now, I won't deny that Quel'Lithien was recently destroyed by an unknown source following Horde attacks on the lodge, but it's entirely possible that the largest group of High Elves that splintered from the original survivors (not the high elves already scattered about the world) also did not remain within Quel'Lithien after the seductive source was discovered. Aurora Skycaller made it out, it's possible there were others she may not have known about.
It's just hopeful thinking of course. Even if Quel'lithien doesn't serve as a staging ground for potential survivors, it certainly could serve as more reasoning to further splinter Quel'dorei with their Sin'dorei brothers and sisters.
I already am a High elf. High elf = blood elf.
10/11/2018 09:16 PMPosted by
Arisran
Oh thank god they extended it. I was waiting around like >_>;
(I just had an idea regarding nelf undead but I should probably make a new post about it since it doesn't have to do with helfs)
Back on topic though;
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You seem to keep missing the fact that High Elves were spread out during the Fall of Quel'Thalas, and the Renaming of the Blood Elves. You do realize there were people who looked down upon Keal'thas for not being there during the fall and refused to follow him?
Of course, had you read through out the post you would have known that, because it has been repeated several times. High Elves do exist outside of Sin'dorei and Ren'dorei races. They have always been with the Alliance. Just because a Prince of Quel'Thalas renamed them, doesn't mean that's what they all became. If that were the case, all Kul'tiran should just be humans.
To add to this from something else I read, there are actually helves that also came from the original population of people who would be otherwise blood elves as well (the ones who were actually there during the assult by Arthas)
Taken from the wiki:
"Most of the remaining "high" elves had chosen to remain with the Alliance following the Second War, and did not return to their kingdom following the Third.[7] When Grand Magister Rommath returned to Quel'Thalas to teach them Kael's magic siphoning ways, some elves were disgusted by the practice — likening it to vampiric behavior — and opposed its use. Unable to lead a divided nation, Regent Lord Lor'themar exiled the dissenters from the kingdom, the exiles finding residence in Quel'Lithien."
Now, I won't deny that Quel'Lithien was recently destroyed by an unknown source following Horde attacks on the lodge, but it's entirely possible that the largest group of High Elves that splintered from the original survivors (not the high elves already scattered about the world) also did not remain within Quel'Lithien after the seductive source was discovered. Aurora Skycaller made it out, it's possible there were others she may not have known about.
It's just hopeful thinking of course. Even if Quel'lithien doesn't serve as a staging ground for potential survivors, it certainly could serve as more reasoning to further splinter Quel'dorei with their Sin'dorei brothers and sisters.
It wouldn't be terribly difficult to write that the largest chunk of the population there simply moved out long before the lodge fell. They didn't want to live in the Plaguelands after surviving Arthas. Seems pretty logical to me.
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Lore for an individual NPC, not a faction.
You seem to keep missing the fact that High Elves were spread out during the Fall of Quel'Thalas, and the Renaming of the Blood Elves. You do realize there were people who looked down upon Keal'thas for not being there during the fall and refused to follow him?
Of course, had you read through out the post you would have known that, because it has been repeated several times. High Elves do exist outside of Sin'dorei and Ren'dorei races. They have always been with the Alliance. Just because a Prince of Quel'Thalas renamed them, doesn't mean that's what they all became. If that were the case, all Kul'tiran should just be humans.
If I remember correctly wasn't there a high elf boss in the nexus dungeon in Northrend that had a backstory of when she was Kael'thas's teacher and she was upset for Kael to betray the Kirin Tor?
It shows that only High Elves that have changed are the Blood Elves and Kael'thas's forces while rest still remain Quel'dorei within the Kirin Tor, Still living with their old allies like Humans and Dwarves in Stormwind and some ledges in the Alliance Areas and etc.
If I remember correctly wasn't there a high elf boss in the nexus dungeon in Northrend that had a backstory of when she was Kael'thas's teacher and she was upset for Kael to betray the Kirin Tor?
It shows that only High Elves that have changed are the Blood Elves and Kael'thas's forces while rest still remain Quel'dorei within the Kirin Tor, Still living with their old allies like Humans and Dwarves in Stormwind and some ledges in the Alliance Areas and etc.
I think Grand Magus Telestra (the teacher) was a bit of a solo act in terms of the race conflict going on. She did not approve of Kael working with the naga, not that he betrayed the Kirin Tor, but at the same time she's not happy that Dalaran imprisoned her people because of Garithos, so she joined Malygos to take down the city in revenge I guess.
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You seem to keep missing the fact that High Elves were spread out during the Fall of Quel'Thalas, and the Renaming of the Blood Elves. You do realize there were people who looked down upon Keal'thas for not being there during the fall and refused to follow him?
Of course, had you read through out the post you would have known that, because it has been repeated several times. High Elves do exist outside of Sin'dorei and Ren'dorei races. They have always been with the Alliance. Just because a Prince of Quel'Thalas renamed them, doesn't mean that's what they all became. If that were the case, all Kul'tiran should just be humans.
If I remember correctly wasn't there a high elf boss in the nexus dungeon in Northrend that had a backstory of when she was Kael'thas's teacher and she was upset for Kael to betray the Kirin Tor?
It shows that only High Elves that have changed are the Blood Elves and Kael'thas's forces while rest still remain Quel'dorei within the Kirin Tor, Still living with their old allies like Humans and Dwarves in Stormwind and some ledges in the Alliance Areas and etc.
Yep, Blood Elves have already changed entirely. The orange/red skin tones and hair colors, the fel green eyes, the aggressive demeanor, all symptoms of fel poisoning.
This is why Blood Elves are not High Elves. Saying that would be like saying the Orgrimmar Orcs are Mag'har Orcs. If that is the case, then why are Mag'har playable?
Just putting this out there. IF blizzard were to force some kinda elf thing on us and we got to choose the poison. I'd rather void elves get a voidy fair skin version. Not entirely without void marks but fair enough that it satisfies the people complaining. They are still named void Elf and they retain all void elf things like hair/eyes except they have fairer skin+a purple/black streak across arms/chest/face or legs.
I don't find this unreasonable personally. THIS is the concept that got me excited for Void Elves initially. I don't mind them all that much now, but they feel one dimensional visually that only fits the class fantasy of half their specs.
I also like the fair to void look Talendrion referred to and I agree they need to still have some void presence in their visage. I'm more concerned with their hair colors and styles though personally as I would like to have a few more traditional blood elf styles as well as a few lighter colors, in exchange the Blood Elves could have a couple of the void elves styles and beards.
All in all though, I still stand with the pros at the end of the day as a supporter of all three Thalassian groups as I feel each of those groups have their story to tell and one groups progress should not be beholden to another's.