Then why haven't you gotten them? If they're "the most requested race since the beginning of WoW", then why after 14 years of development, new and expanded lore, additional races, etc, have they not added them? Please, answer me that.
Blizzard not adding them after ALL THIS TIME speaks volumes. If you choose to not see that fact, then that's on you.
It's because we were added back during the Burning Crusade, they just refuse to acknowledge it.
Ahh, good to know you can read his mind. I guess than answers my question then. Carry on.
Logic is inconvenient. Plus, remember, they know better than the developers and that's going to win them so many brownie points yay?
I just figure if they were as big a deal as these threads make them out to be, then they'd have been added years ago. I couldn't care less if they add them or not, so I'm just looking at this logically. If they were as "core to the game" as people think, they'd be in the game as a playable race already and this discussion would be moot. But they're not. Not trying to be snarky, just stating it as it is.
If they were as "core to the game" as people think, they'd be in the game as a playable race already and this discussion would be moot. But they're not. Not trying to be snarky, just stating it as it is.
The old standby was that there weren't enough of them to be made into a playable race the same way that Worgen/Goblins are a playable race. Allied Races, however, do not fall into this issue.
It's rather telling that Void Elves were among the first Allied Races the Alliance received, and the fact that everything about them is wrong and does nothing to fulfill the Alliance's actual request for High Elves is further testament to the fact Ion doesn't play Alliance and doesn't understand our point of view. What he see's is the Horde perspective, "The Alliance wants our Blood Elves." So, he gave us Horde Blood Elves, made sufficiently different and terrible so that Horde players wouldn't feel bad about it, and even made sure to give Blood Elves Gold Eyes roughly around the same time to mollify them.
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10/12/2018 07:03 AMPosted by
Alurna
Please, answer me that.
Because the lead game developer, Ion, who makes the final calls on things for the game, doesn't even have the Double-Agent achievement, and therefor doesn't see for himself just how integrated High Elves are into the Alliance. All he hears is his Horde pals talking about, "taking our race from us."
He leads the game... oversees people who implement every single facet into the game. He doesn't need to play both sides to know wtf is going into his own game lol. And "Horde Pals?" Please don't tell me you are one of those nutjobs that believes there is an actual faction bias in this game?
10/12/2018 07:03 AMPosted by
Alurna
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Because the lead game developer, Ion, who makes the final calls on things for the game, doesn't even have the Double-Agent achievement, and therefor doesn't see for himself just how integrated High Elves are into the Alliance. All he hears is his Horde pals talking about, "taking our race from us."
He leads the game... oversees people who implement every single facet into the game. He doesn't need to play both sides to know wtf is going into his own game lol. And "Horde Pals?" Please don't tell me you are one of those nutjobs that believes there is an actual faction bias in this game?
Honestly? There's a Horde Bias, the majority of Developers are quite willing to admit they like the Horde, the play Horde, etc...
I never believed that said bias ever actually leaked it's way into the game's development, but looking at the Alliance's Allied Races versus the Horde's, one has to conclude either said bias IS indeed leaking into development, or the Developers are seriously out of touch with the Alliance half of their playerbase.
10/12/2018 07:27 AMPosted by
Alurna
and the fact that everything about them is wrong and does nothing to fulfill the Alliance's actual request for High Elves is further testament to the fact Ion doesn't play Alliance and doesn't understand our point of view. What he see's is the Horde perspective, "The Alliance wants our Blood Elves." So, he gave us Horde Blood Elves, made sufficiently different and terrible so that Horde players wouldn't feel bad about it, and even made sure to give Blood Elves Gold Eyes roughly around the same time to mollify them.
To be honest, I have a really hard time believing this statement. I don't think there's any evidence that he's horde biased as you're stating. I've played alliance almost exclusively since Vanilla closed beta, and I can't think of a time when I wanted to limit what the opposite faction could, or could not do, have, or not have. And I'm not privy to any of the probable stacks of metrics they have regarding races. So, to make that type of statement seems like you have no actual evidence and pulled that out of your backside.
10/12/2018 07:38 AMPosted by
Alurna
Honestly? There's a Horde Bias, the majority of Developers are quite willing to admit they like the Horde, the play Horde, etc...
Where's the proof? Are you able to cite specific developers and class leads that have specifically stated that? This seems like a deflection on the actual topic.
So, if I'm understanding correctly, Elves eyes react just like human skin based on their diet?
Humans skin will change to an odd color based on if they eat a strict diet. Like tomatoes turn you red if that was your main diet. This is if you do it for a long time.
So, BEs have that with Mana. Take in mainly holy they get golden or feel to green. If one was to stick to arcane would they become blue? What about fire? Would they become red? Ice... Well I guess that's how we get DKs.
10/12/2018 07:38 AMPosted by
Alurna
Honestly? There's a Horde Bias, the majority of Developers are quite willing to admit they like the Horde, the play Horde, etc...
Where's the proof? Are you able to cite specific developers and class leads that have specifically stated that? This seems like a deflection on the actual topic.
While not a faction bias thing I do remember a period when mages were consistently amazing and the developers all played mages, resulting in a case of "why would I nerf what I play?"
Somewhat anecdotal because I don't remember the exact time period but it's out there. I'll have to try to find it when I'm off work.
Bias can certainly exist in some form but not to a ridiculous extreme like some claim. I'm just salty because the alliance got all horses and the horde got cool mounts like the recolored skyscreamer.
10/12/2018 07:38 AMPosted by
Alurna
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He leads the game... oversees people who implement every single facet into the game. He doesn't need to play both sides to know wtf is going into his own game lol. And "Horde Pals?" Please don't tell me you are one of those nutjobs that believes there is an actual faction bias in this game?
Honestly? There's a Horde Bias, the majority of Developers are quite willing to admit they like the Horde, the play Horde, etc...
I never believed that said bias ever actually leaked it's way into the game's development, but looking at the Alliance's Allied Races versus the Horde's, one has to conclude either said bias IS indeed leaking into development, or the Developers are seriously out of touch with the Alliance half of their playerbase.
How? Allied race liking is subjective. I hate that we got reskinned taurens and I'm neutral towards Nightbourne. I'm jealous you got Kultirans because you can make one look like Reinhardt. I'm absolutely jealous of your Kul'tirans druid forms. Dinos don't do it for me... but drust stuff. SIGN ME UP!
LF draenei i think are awesome, a more militant version of your regular Draenei. Maybe its because i like the Draenei models to begin with. Dark Iron Dwarves? Lava weilding dwarves are awesome! If i didn't have to grind 7th legion rep i'd consider making one. Void Elves are cool imo. They are incredibly sassy, at least in islands.
If Alliance gets HE and Horde get Ogres.. that will be a good month for Blizz $$
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10/12/2018 08:28 AMPosted by
Melfo
If Alliance gets HE and Horde get Ogres.. that will be a good month for Blizz $$
If ogres are entirely impossible then MokâNathal would make sense, a beefier more brutish version of an orc, and itâs not an abstract races, itâs been around since wc3. Blizzard would definitely bring in some money on HEâs and ogres/MokâNathal
10/11/2018 08:25 PMPosted by
Gulrum
If High Elves would "rob" the poor, poor Blood Elves of something, then I demand that the Nightborne leave the Horde and become the first neutral Allied Race. The Shen'dralar Highborne are Alliance allies and have been since Cataclysm. Why does Horde get to play an Alliance ally's theme?
Not only was the model straight up taken from Alliance and given to the Horde, so was the lore of the Shen'dralar. Horde stole from Alliance twice, but those poor, poor picked on people can't possibly be expected to share their toys too!
Gulrum for president!
Horde is allowed to absorb the Night Elf culture but we gotta protect those poor Blood Elves' feelings.
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10/12/2018 09:02 AMPosted by
Lisbick
10/11/2018 08:25 PMPosted by
Gulrum
If High Elves would "rob" the poor, poor Blood Elves of something, then I demand that the Nightborne leave the Horde and become the first neutral Allied Race. The Shen'dralar Highborne are Alliance allies and have been since Cataclysm. Why does Horde get to play an Alliance ally's theme?
Not only was the model straight up taken from Alliance and given to the Horde, so was the lore of the Shen'dralar. Horde stole from Alliance twice, but those poor, poor picked on people can't possibly be expected to share their toys too!
Gulrum for president!
Horde is allowed to absorb the Night Elf culture but we gotta protect those poor Blood Elves' feelings.
You got void elves, or did that completely slip your mind?
You got void elves, or did that completely slip your mind?
Got what? Oh, yeah, the Short-end-of-the-stick Elves that no one asked for. No, thanks.
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10/12/2018 07:38 AMPosted by
Alurna
Honestly? There's a Horde Bias, the majority of Developers are quite willing to admit they like the Horde, the play Horde, etc...
Where's the proof? Are you able to cite specific developers and class leads that have specifically stated that? This seems like a deflection on the actual topic.
She canât provide proof, guarantee it. At most sheâll find one developer that has said they play horde, which doesnât necessarily mean the are biased.
Seems like most of the people that claim there is a faction bias do so to support whatever point they are trying to make, or to try and undermine someone elseâs.
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Where's the proof? Are you able to cite specific developers and class leads that have specifically stated that? This seems like a deflection on the actual topic.
She canât provide proof, guarantee it. At most sheâll find one developer that has said they play horde, which doesnât necessarily mean the are biased.
Seems like most of the people that claim there is a faction bias do so to support whatever point they are trying to make, or to try and undermine someone elseâs.
Yea, they are upset because blizz told them no multiple times, and then they blame it on them using false accusations of horde bias from Blizz.
They are running out of reasons to falsely justify their arguments.
10/12/2018 07:38 AMPosted by
Alurna
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He leads the game... oversees people who implement every single facet into the game. He doesn't need to play both sides to know wtf is going into his own game lol. And "Horde Pals?" Please don't tell me you are one of those nutjobs that believes there is an actual faction bias in this game?
Honestly? There's a Horde Bias, the majority of Developers are quite willing to admit they like the Horde, the play Horde, etc...
I never believed that said bias ever actually leaked it's way into the game's development, but looking at the Alliance's Allied Races versus the Horde's, one has to conclude either said bias IS indeed leaking into development, or the Developers are seriously out of touch with the Alliance half of their playerbase.
You mean like how the Nightborne literally look nothing like their NPC models and look really awkward in armor?
Or that Void Elves and DI had some of the best racials that matter in content?
Seems like youâre just butt-hurt that he said no to alliance high elves in the near future, so now youâre trying to undermine his credibility.
I can't speak for everyone here but I'm not mad because they don't want us to have High Elves. I'm mad because they could avoid this whole mess by just not doing this damn elf trade between factions and completely screwing this trade for one side.
I couldn't care less for playable High Elves before allied races system and this elf swap.
Seriously, if hordies really like Void Elves (or pretend to) you should just ask Blizzard to give them to your faction because I, as an Alliance player, am really really tired of getting half-assed things around here, don't need another one.
Yeah, Void Elves are popular only because people wanna look pretty in game, just for that. If you really think Void Elves were not a stupid idea and were well introduced, sorry but you're really blind or are ignoring facts on purpose.
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Mean while no one it actually posting any actual proof that there is Horde Bias or there is no Bias.
Based on what I've seen I'd say no there is not a Horde Bias.
10/12/2018 09:14 AMPosted by
Lisbick
You got void elves, or did that completely slip your mind?
Got what? Oh, yeah, the Short-end-of-the-stick Elves that no one asked for. No, thanks.
No, you got a compromise. Deal with it. Void Elves are thee most played Allied race. Plenty of people like it.