The Unofficial High Elf Discussion Megathread

10/11/2018 10:30 AMPosted by Lisbick
10/11/2018 10:04 AMPosted by Illiaster
They need a gnome allied race.


No, please. I love Gnomes but not another half-assed allied race for god sake. Alliance allied races are terrible already, let's not make it worse.

10/11/2018 10:06 AMPosted by Sinkasumi
If they're anything like mimiron or Jeeves I'd be pretty interested. Never made a gnome before so that should tell you something.


A Mechagnome, which is a robot, wearing armor? Doesn't it sound stupid to you?

Exactly for a race that doesn’t have a high amount of people playing them, why water that down even more? Gnome lore is interesting in and of itself, it doesn’t need junker gnomes to drive its story.
10/11/2018 10:34 AMPosted by Talendrion
Cause these "aberrations" have a lore aside from the Blood Elves, a loyalty that BE cast aside. That's the point. They have their own story, linked to the alliance, that's what we want to play. Do you understand that?


You want a new faction, I get it. That is why using appeals to their historical place in the game is nonsensical- because it does not exist in any meaningful way.
10/11/2018 10:39 AMPosted by Tyrandia
10/11/2018 10:30 AMPosted by Lisbick
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No, please. I love Gnomes but not another half-assed allied race for god sake. Alliance allied races are terrible already, let's not make it worse.

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A Mechagnome, which is a robot, wearing armor? Doesn't it sound stupid to you?

Exactly for a race that doesn’t have a high amount of people playing them, why water that down even more? Gnome lore is interesting in and of itself, it doesn’t need junker gnomes to drive its story.

Every skeleton needs an allied race is probably the ideology
10/11/2018 10:39 AMPosted by Illiaster
Didnt the dwarfs, vrykul, and giants wear armor in their metal conceptions?

I'm trying to remember back to Ulduar


Well, I can't remember any metal Vrykul or Dwarves wearing armor, but I'm sure there is no Mechagnomes wearing armor in the game because they don't need to.
10/11/2018 10:22 AMPosted by Illiaster
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And that rumor leak. If announced allied races outside of Vulpira are true, then that will add more credibility to the other contents. One of which was some kind of neutrality option to party up with the opposite faction or something like that? That would actually kill some of the faction identity argument against HE if true.

They would probably do the goblin and gnome allied races together.

But neutrality? Who are you referring to in this?

No no, the neutrality was supposedly a next expansion feature. Leaker leaked allied races, what the next expansion would be about, and alluded to some kind of neutrality thing for cross faction grouping if I recall correctly.
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They would probably do the goblin and gnome allied races together.

But neutrality? Who are you referring to in this?

No no, the neutrality was supposedly a next expansion feature. Leaker leaked allied races, what the next expansion would be about, and alluded to some kind of neutrality thing for cross faction grouping if I recall correctly.

Oh god...
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10/11/2018 10:41 AMPosted by Donnalupo
10/11/2018 10:34 AMPosted by Talendrion
Cause these "aberrations" have a lore aside from the Blood Elves, a loyalty that BE cast aside. That's the point. They have their own story, linked to the alliance, that's what we want to play. Do you understand that?


You want a new faction, I get it. That is why using appeals to their historical place in the game is nonsensical- because it does not exist in any meaningful way.


No, I don't want a new faction, I want to play as the High Elves that are ALREADY a part of the Alliance, such as the Silver Covenant. My meaning is plain and simple, so I ask again, do you get it? Or are you going to keep trying to speak for me?
10/11/2018 10:02 AMPosted by Sinkasumi
There's way too much working against it. Lore, gameplay, annoyed players to name a few.
Warcraft’s lore suggests that High Elves are worthy of being playable.

Please define “gameplay.” Every time someone says this, they refuse to expand upon what gameplay features would be harmed by letting people play High Elves.

Annoyed Horde players shouldn’t really matter. Blizzard didn’t care about annoyed Alliance players in TBC because it’s all about money to them.

So what is your point?
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10/11/2018 10:43 AMPosted by Illiaster
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No no, the neutrality was supposedly a next expansion feature. Leaker leaked allied races, what the next expansion would be about, and alluded to some kind of neutrality thing for cross faction grouping if I recall correctly.

Oh god...

Assuming the leaker really does work for Blizzard. If the next allied races are junker gnomes and the awakened (light arisen forsaken) for the Alliance while Horde gets Vulpira and some kind of werecat trolls akin to worgen, then the leak is probably true.
10/11/2018 10:46 AMPosted by Joyeuse
10/11/2018 10:02 AMPosted by Sinkasumi
There's way too much working against it. Lore, gameplay, annoyed players to name a few.
Warcraf’s lore suggests that High Elves are worthy of being playable.

Please define “gameplay.” Every time someone says this, they refuse to expand upon what gameplay features would be harmed by letting people play High Elves.

Annoyed Horde players shouldn’t really matter. Blizzard didn’t care about annoyed Alliance players in TBC because it’s all about money to them.

So what is your point?

I think we are revolving back to the whole "High elves are just being used at set pieces for Alliance" without any actual development to them or depth to them.
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Oh god...

Assuming the leaker really does work for Blizzard. If the next allied races are junker gnomes and the awakened (light arisen forsaken) for the Alliance while Horde gets Vulpira and some kind of werecat trolls akin to worgen, then the leak is probably true.

No light arisen forsaken. No. No. No. Get those lore abominations out of here.
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10/11/2018 10:44 AMPosted by Talendrion
No, I don't want a new faction, I want to play as the High Elves that are ALREADY a part of the Alliance, such as the Silver Covenant. My meaning is plain and simple, so I ask again, do you get it? Or are you going to keep trying to speak for me?


The High Elves as a faction are already spoken for. What you want is a new faction with new ideals, motivations, and characterizations. Sometimes it sounds like speaking for someone when you help them clarify their own muddled thoughts, but I am not generating new information, only attempting to help you grasp at this idea that seems to be evading you like a butterfly in the wind.
10/11/2018 10:49 AMPosted by Donnalupo
10/11/2018 10:44 AMPosted by Talendrion
No, I don't want a new faction, I want to play as the High Elves that are ALREADY a part of the Alliance, such as the Silver Covenant. My meaning is plain and simple, so I ask again, do you get it? Or are you going to keep trying to speak for me?


The High Elves as a faction are already spoken for. What you want is a new faction with new ideals, motivations, and characterizations. Sometimes it sounds like speaking for someone when you help them clarify their own muddled thoughts, but I am not generating new information, only attempting to help you grasp at this idea that seems to be evading you like a butterfly in the wind.


Huh? How are we asking for a new faction? With something that already exists and is loyal to the Alliance already?
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Oh god...

Assuming the leaker really does work for Blizzard. If the next allied races are junker gnomes and the awakened (light arisen forsaken) for the Alliance while Horde gets Vulpira and some kind of werecat trolls akin to worgen, then the leak is probably true.


Awakened, I like it. I've been trying to think of an appropriate name for the light based undead if we see them in game, this works for me.
10/11/2018 10:46 AMPosted by Joyeuse
10/11/2018 10:02 AMPosted by Sinkasumi
There's way too much working against it. Lore, gameplay, annoyed players to name a few.
Warcraf’s lore suggests that High Elves are worthy of being playable.

Please define “gameplay.” Every time someone says this, they refuse to expand upon what gameplay features would be harmed by letting people play High Elves.

Annoyed Horde players shouldn’t really matter. Blizzard didn’t care about annoyed Alliance players in TBC because it’s all about money to them.

So what is your point?


Next paragraph of my post was partly in regards to the gameplay. I'm not really here to argue, but I'll explain what I'm referring to.

By lore, I mean the whole BE and VE are HE. Even Ion stated that.

By gameplay, besides the looking identical, meant how there's an overabundance of elve options and recently getting allied races of elves. I'd prefer more unique stuff or things mixing it up like Sethrek or Arrakoa.

I brought up annoyed players because HE is meeting extra resistance after nearly a year of spam. Just suggesting giving it a break would let both sides cool down.

But hey, I don't have much of horse in this race. Horde doesn't get many horses.
10/11/2018 10:49 AMPosted by Donnalupo
10/11/2018 10:44 AMPosted by Talendrion
No, I don't want a new faction, I want to play as the High Elves that are ALREADY a part of the Alliance, such as the Silver Covenant. My meaning is plain and simple, so I ask again, do you get it? Or are you going to keep trying to speak for me?


The High Elves as a faction are already spoken for. What you want is a new faction with new ideals, motivations, and characterizations. Sometimes it sounds like speaking for someone when you help them clarify their own muddled thoughts, but I am not generating new information, only attempting to help you grasp at this idea that seems to be evading you like a butterfly in the wind.


Silver Covenant High Elves are already their own faction, they are already part of the alliance. That is not a hard to grasp concept. You keep pushing your own erroneous interpretation of my very simply put statement.

"The High Elves as a faction are already spoken for" Is a fallacy, because no matter if you want to call blood elves high elves or whatever fail at clear nomenclature you are pushing for, "Thalassian Elves" exist on both alliance and horde.

Your failure to understand the simple used nomenclature of High Elves/Blood Elves not only is a way to shut any argument, but it actually creates a deficit in your understanding as you become blind to understand and realize there is already an alliance faction of High Elves with their own lore and goal, The Silver Covenant.

These simple facts go beyond whether is advisable for alliance to have a faction so similar to an horde one, there lies the discussion to be had. To pretend High Elves don't exist as their own faction on the alliance is simply ignorant of facts.
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10/11/2018 10:48 AMPosted by Illiaster
10/11/2018 10:46 AMPosted by Joyeuse
...Warcraf’s lore suggests that High Elves are worthy of being playable.

Please define “gameplay.” Every time someone says this, they refuse to expand upon what gameplay features would be harmed by letting people play High Elves.

Annoyed Horde players shouldn’t really matter. Blizzard didn’t care about annoyed Alliance players in TBC because it’s all about money to them.

So what is your point?

I think we are revolving back to the whole "High elves are just being used at set pieces for Alliance" without any actual development to them or depth to them.


Which will always be debatable and up for argumentation. Yet the fact is clear, even if they are just a prop, the Silver Covenant lorewise exists as its own faction, with its own ideals and goals. It's irrelevant if they have been used as only a prop for other alliance stories, they still *exist.*
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10/11/2018 11:34 AMPosted by Talendrion
To pretend High Elves don't exist as their own faction on the alliance is simply ignorant of facts.


The high elf people now call themselves blood elves. That is not my opinion, that is the official lore. As such, the high elf faction is spoken for. Aberrant groups don't change that. The cult of the damned existing does not change the core concepts of the Human faction. The silver covenant existing does not change the high elf faction as a whole. So what you want is a new faction of pretty elves with ideals, motivations, and characterizations of their own. If you want that, sure to each their own. But appeals to the high elves historical place in the world remain nonsensical.
10/11/2018 09:35 AMPosted by Shadows


/end thread


Void Elves look identical to Blood Elves in every way except the reskin. It's just another argument that hasn't held any weight. It's already been expressed that we'd like to see a more thorough work through done than the Void Elves. As this was already a half-baked production. From their introduction to their lack of remodeling, to the simplicity of the recolor -- to the absent lore.

I saw Void Elves in full armor sets yesterday. 100% indistinguishable from Blood Elves. This was a mistake.

10/11/2018 11:44 AMPosted by Donnalupo
10/11/2018 11:34 AMPosted by Talendrion
To pretend High Elves don't exist as their own faction on the alliance is simply ignorant of facts.


The high elf people now call themselves blood elves. That is not my opinion, that is the official lore. As such, the high elf faction is spoken for. Aberrant groups don't change that. The cult of the damned existing does not change the core concepts of the Human faction. The silver covenant existing does not change the high elf faction as a whole. So what you want is a new faction of pretty elves with ideals, motivations, and characterizations of their own. If you want that, sure to each their own. But appeals to the high elves historical place in the world remain nonsensical.


Yeah except you can go to Northrend and see Quel'dorei soldiers standing next to Sin'dorei soldiers. We also see them being added more into the current version during this discussion. What's nonsensical is the idea that your personal headcannon should apply to everyone else's. Or that your interpretation of the lore is valid because you made that decision today.

The Quel'dorei and the Sin'dorei are distinct groups with the exception of in game models. All of which has been discussed thoroughly. This is the actual cannon not the one you made up just now.
10/11/2018 11:44 AMPosted by Donnalupo
10/11/2018 11:34 AMPosted by Talendrion
To pretend High Elves don't exist as their own faction on the alliance is simply ignorant of facts.


The high elf people now call themselves blood elves. That is not my opinion, that is the official lore. As such, the high elf faction is spoken for. Aberrant groups don't change that. The cult of the damned existing does not change the core concepts of the Human faction. The silver covenant existing does not change the high elf faction as a whole. So what you want is a new faction of pretty elves with ideals, motivations, and characterizations of their own. If you want that, sure to each their own. But appeals to the high elves historical place in the world remain nonsensical.

They are not aberrant groups when they take prominent roles in the Story, Trial of the Crusader, Dalaran, Vareesa, and most recently the group that queldorei, sindorei And Kaldorei formed to take down Elesande. She even reffered to them separately as their own group. That’s lore, that is what is established.
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