10/10/2018 08:51 PMPosted by
Gulrum
I don't think it is out of the question though. Here's another snippet from the drakonid wiki:
"Drakonid have been described as half-man, half-dragon. The ascendants and Zuluhed of the Dragonmaw on Outland can turn into drakonid. Corla of the Twilight's Hammer in the Blackrock Caverns blessed fellow zealots by harnessing nether dragon essence to transform the believers into menacing twilight drakonid."
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Drakonid
So transforming back and forth is already fully a thing.
I'm not saying a dragon race isn't a real possibility at all. I think they would be two things:
1. A candidate for a new and full player race
2. The most fought over new player race ever, ever, ever lighting these forums on fire until the servers overload.
What I am saying is that High Elves are what we see with Vareesa. Then that this is important to the fans who have waited so long for a chance to play them. So modifying them and making them unique would take some real creative skill. It's not something that we can snap fingers and turn on.
That's Ion's challenge. I agree with him there. I disagree with him Professor Snape Level Obviously on a lot. But he's right, Blood Elves are High Elves. Strip them naked and change their eye color. Maybe that's okay though. Or maybe there's another way to look at who they are and have been as a people beyond the walls of Silvermoon?
10/10/2018 08:45 PMPosted by
Wyspers
haha I wonder if the helf discord is reading this
*hi gaiz*
To be fair, on the dragon elf thing ... it wouldn't satisfy a huge core of the fans. They want the Silver Covenant High Elf. That's important to this allied race. I think the challenge here is that differentiation that Ion suggested didn't exist. Using Nozdormu's model as an example was a method to move the convo past some trolling.
Then it becomes a question of how or why they are different? When stripped of their clothing there is the same frame / build / hair and really just different colored eyes.
This is actually a problem for Blizzard that they would need to at least in some part solve. How can they do this in a way that matters?
Yes. We are always watching these. HI!. In fact we made this like most other high elf mega threads.
I agree most would be unhappy with dragon fused high elves. personally I would play them but they are not the high elves I am asking for like most others and thus we would continue to ask for them.
Most of us are willing to compromise and change how high elves look. People can call our mock ups headcanon but it shows just how far we are willing to compromise. Their appearance can be changed so long as their backstory and lore does not.
Personally I think it makes sense. The group of high elves we are asking for have lived in human kingdoms for centuries. They have had time for multiple generations to have been born with mixed human and elf heritage. They are not half elves per say but it can be reflected in their customization options. They can range from being a pure high elf to being a half elf complete with human like hair and faces and shorter ears.
Their stance and body build can change as well to reflect their differing lifestyle. They don't have the same diet as those in silvermoon. They don't live the life of rich nobility. They are commoners or soldiers for the most part.
As has been pointed out those previously in this thread those in silvermoon use magic to take care of basic chores. They live in complete comfort while magical golems or enchanted brooms do mennial labor. They throw lavish parties and gourge themselves. Yes there had been the farstriders and the rangers but nearly all of them died during the scourge invasion. It is now mostly civilians and those that saw they needed to step up and become the new defenders of their people. Most have not lived the life of a soldier. It is new to them. They have training and some experience but they have only done it for a few years.
High elves within the alliance have lived the life of commoners or have served a lifetime as soldiers. They are battle hardened and used to the harsh realities of the world. They have adapted to better handle it.
"Have you heard of the high elves?"
https://discord.gg/fbPWUhw -----: High elf community discord.
https://discord.gg/KGhqz6z -------: Allied race congregation discord(a meeting place and community for all established allied race groups)
I invoked them for you.
♫♪♬ ♥
People can call our mock ups headcanon
Absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact for or against something it's some of the best fuel for the creatives over at Blizzard. I've seen a bunch of videos where they mention headcannon in some way, they are always excited. They love the fans when the fans love what they make for them. Which is why this whole enterprise exists in the first place (you). That you take it the extra step to create in step with them is the biggest compliment they can get from any fan.
Keep going.
I don't think the thread would get extended if they weren't interested in our "headcanon."
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10/10/2018 09:47 PMPosted by
Gulrum
I don't think the thread would get extended if they weren't interested in our "headcanon."
No, rather to keep you guys quarantined so you aren't spamming the rest of GD. Think of it as silencing you guys in a locked room, every so often checking in to make sure you guys stay put and dont leave. Not really rocket science to figure that out, lol.
10/10/2018 09:47 PMPosted by
Gulrum
I don't think the thread would get extended if they weren't interested in our "headcanon."
To be fair, one of the reasons this thread has been extended is because it helped clean up the high elf discussion threads and helped consolidate our conversation about the addition of high elves. I remember posting in like four threads all talking about different aspects of high elves a couple weeks ago. This is way better for us and the mods.
10/10/2018 09:54 PMPosted by
Crøwley
10/10/2018 09:47 PMPosted by
Gulrum
I don't think the thread would get extended if they weren't interested in our "headcanon."
No, rather to keep you guys quarantined so you aren't spamming the rest of GD. Think of it as silencing you guys in a locked room, every so often checking in to make sure you guys stay put and dont leave.
Thanks for the bump, guy.
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I think high elves may be blizzards trump card. They are keeping it in reserve for if things get really bad they will finally release them in the hope to revitalize people. It is their “defcon 1” button.
10/10/2018 09:55 PMPosted by
Heliwyr
10/10/2018 09:47 PMPosted by
Gulrum
I don't think the thread would get extended if they weren't interested in our "headcanon."
To be fair, one of the reasons this thread has been extended is because it helped clean up the high elf discussion threads and helped consolidate our conversation about the addition of high elves. I remember posting in like four threads all talking about different aspects of high elves a couple weeks ago. This is way better for us and the mods.
Why now though? The threads have been popping up for months. Nothing has really changed.
Perhaps a decision was made internally and ideas are being mined?
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10/10/2018 09:55 PMPosted by
Heliwyr
10/10/2018 09:47 PMPosted by
Gulrum
I don't think the thread would get extended if they weren't interested in our "headcanon."
To be fair, one of the reasons this thread has been extended is because it helped clean up the high elf discussion threads and helped consolidate our conversation about the addition of high elves. I remember posting in like four threads all talking about different aspects of high elves a couple weeks ago. This is way better for us and the mods.
This is why it is important to keep the conversation moving forward and when possible in new directions.
10/10/2018 09:58 PMPosted by
Gulrum
Why now though? The threads have been popping up for months. Nothing has really changed.
Perhaps a decision was made internally and ideas are being mined?
At worst they can't keep supressing the conversation or they become a crappy company that is doing just that. At best they are looking to extract concepts and opinions to compare to data they have internally, and creative ideas they have shared with each other.
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10/10/2018 09:59 PMPosted by
Wyspers
10/10/2018 09:55 PMPosted by
Heliwyr
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To be fair, one of the reasons this thread has been extended is because it helped clean up the high elf discussion threads and helped consolidate our conversation about the addition of high elves. I remember posting in like four threads all talking about different aspects of high elves a couple weeks ago. This is way better for us and the mods.
This is why it is important to keep the conversation moving forward and when possible in new directions.
10/10/2018 09:58 PMPosted by
Gulrum
Why now though? The threads have been popping up for months. Nothing has really changed.
Perhaps a decision was made internally and ideas are being mined?
At worst they can't keep supressing the conversation or they become a crappy company that is doing just that. At best they are looking to extract concepts and opinions to compare to data they have internally, and creative ideas they have shared with each other.
I hope it is the "at best" option. But I am a glass-half-full kind of person.
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10/10/2018 09:12 PMPosted by
Shadows
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idk. Makes sense to me. idc how it works in the actual business. All I know is what I see on my end and quite honestly that is what I care about. The inner workings don't matter just what the customer expects.
Is it the dealership's fault if the customer had the wrong expectations to begin with? The correct answer is no.
Say someone brings their car in for an air bag recall. The recall covers a defective inflator module. However, this vehicle also has a defective clockspring which has set the air bag light and a code in the system.
The customer hears "air bag recall" and assumes any and everything dealing with the air bag system will be fixed free of charge. This is not true, as only the defective inflator module is covered. The customer learns they will have to pay for the clockspring repair and blows a gasket. They make a scene in the service drive, storm out, and post scathing reviews of the dealership online.
What does this have to do with High Elves? Well, the people who are still asking for them after Blizzard explained why we were given Void Elves instead are acting very much like the customer who had the wrong expectations of the dealership.
2 things.
1. Blizzard never explained why they were given instead of High Elves. They just happened. They never said it was a "compromise." This is just what people try to use as an argument with no sustained information.
2. You missed what I meant by that entirely, or you just didn't care because you seem to be dead set against High Elves.
During Anasterian's reign, Quel'Thalas was allied with the Alliance out of mutual needs. Yes, he did pull away Quel'Thalas from the Alliance because his forest had been burned, but that was only Quel'Thalas.. Not the High Elves living in Dalaran, Stormwind, Theramore and Lodges. Keal'thas was even part of the Council of six, and at the time.. Dalaran was still Alliance only.
When Quel'Thalas fell, Keal'thas left Dalaran to go back to his city. He found his lands destroyed and his people all but perished. He then claimed the people of
Quel'Thalas renaming themselves to Blood Elves. He then destroyed the Sunwell, severing his people from it.
The High Elves that were in Stormwind, Theramore, Dalaran, and various lodges felt the destruction of the Well, but we're not present of the renaming. Many never returned to their home, thinking it was lost, and remained in the Alliance. Others were exiled for not following the new found teachings of Keal'thas to save his people, they felt it was morally wrong.
These are High Elves.. not Blood Elves. Not Elves of or never been of the Horde. They are of the Alliance. That's what is being asked for..
This is a reasonable request. For they are different people with a different path and a different way of life. With this, they have enough to become an Allied Race of their very own.
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10/10/2018 09:58 PMPosted by
Gulrum
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To be fair, one of the reasons this thread has been extended is because it helped clean up the high elf discussion threads and helped consolidate our conversation about the addition of high elves. I remember posting in like four threads all talking about different aspects of high elves a couple weeks ago. This is way better for us and the mods.
Why now though? The threads have been popping up for months. Nothing has really changed.
Perhaps a decision was made internally and ideas are being mined?
Noone actually forced these threads to be consolidated - its a player driven initiave to reduce thread redundancy and make it easier for the devs to look over as a single discussion. There's no obligation to confine ourselves to these threads beyond common decency really. We're not being quarantined - noond forced us all into the one thread, we did it of our own accord - but consolidating does help us show that there's a unified community thats willing to support and brainstorm ideas to try and make things happen, and the CMs really like that.
10/10/2018 10:02 PMPosted by
Gulrum
I hope it is the "at best" option. But I am a glass-half-full kind of person.
Do you know what a Frostfencer is?
:)
If you don't you should find out!
I think high elves may be blizzards trump card. They are keeping it in reserve for if things get really bad they will finally release them in the hope to revitalize people. It is their “defcon 1” button.
Seems like it really. There's a huge profit to be made when they are released. :)
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Why now though? The threads have been popping up for months. Nothing has really changed.
Perhaps a decision was made internally and ideas are being mined?
Noone actually forced these threads to be consolidated - its a player driven initiave to reduce thread redundancy and make it easier for the devs to look over as a single discussion. There's no obligation to confine ourselves to these threads beyond common decency really. We're not being quarantined - noond forced us all into the one thread, we did it of our own accord - but consolidating does help us show that there's a unified community thats willing to support and brainstorm ideas to try and make things happen, and the CMs really like that.
The "why now" was referring to Blizz allowing us to talk about it again, not players wanting to talk about it.
10/10/2018 10:08 PMPosted by
Wyspers
10/10/2018 10:02 PMPosted by
Gulrum
I hope it is the "at best" option. But I am a glass-half-full kind of person.
Do you know what a Frostfencer is?
:)
If you don't you should find out!
You mean this?
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Frostfencer_Seraphi
Yes, very good sign indeed!
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