10/10/2018 07:48 PMPosted by
Aidre
10/10/2018 07:44 PMPosted by
Proffit
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I suppose to debate the existence and purpose of High Elves as well as the desire for them to be a playable race.
To me it mostly shows that even when given a reasonable facsimile of what has been asked for, the community of this game will continue to demand, debate, and outright argue over the need for more.
Most of the time I am all about saying that Blizzard should give us more than they do, because they should, on this one I kind of believe they have given what has been asked for and now we are arguing over cosmetics. Like being given a car and being unhappy that it is blue and not the red you imagined it would be.
It's more like Blizz originally showed us that blue car (and continue to show us that blue car everywhere we look), then took it away and gave use a void infused car, and then showed us the same original blue car again and slapped a big MAYBE sign on it.
Blizzard has never given us any indication that High Elves would be playable. You're acting like Void Elves were a bait and switch, which simply isn't true.
10/10/2018 07:55 PMPosted by
Shadows
10/10/2018 07:48 PMPosted by
Aidre
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It's more like Blizz originally showed us that blue car (and continue to show us that blue car everywhere we look), then took it away and gave use a void infused car, and then showed us the same original blue car again and slapped a big MAYBE sign on it.
Blizzard has never given us any indication that High Elves would be playable. You're acting like Void Elves were a bait and switch, which simply isn't true.
Actually, they are already playable. On the horde.
Adding on to the intro for HEs, a cool idea would be to start it would be as a one last ditch effort at re-establishing relations with the Blood Elves at Silvermoon, which (naturally) goes wrong and we're forced to fight our way out with Vereesa, which then causes Vereesa to announce that the HEs will be taking a more direct approach to the war effort.
Something like this might be cool.
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Looks like the nightly derail attempt is in full swing! Let's just stick to the brainstorming, it is much more productive.
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10/10/2018 08:05 PMPosted by
Gulrum
Looks like the nightly derail attempt is in full swing! Let's just stick to the brainstorming, it is much more productive.
That's what I've tried doing haha. They come in waves. Best to ignore them and stick to productive discussion.
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10/10/2018 08:08 PMPosted by
Aidre
10/10/2018 08:05 PMPosted by
Gulrum
Looks like the nightly derail attempt is in full swing! Let's just stick to the brainstorming, it is much more productive.
That's what I've tried doing haha. They come in waves. Best to ignore them and stick to productive discussion.
Yep, starve them of their food and they will crawl back under their bridges and wait to harass the next passerby.
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https://image.ibb.co/kyfdd8/Elves_of_The_Lodge.jpg
Can kick back in the trees with us anytime.
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How high are these elves? 6ft? 8ft?
10/10/2018 07:44 PMPosted by
Proffit
Jesting aside, may I ask you what you think is the purpose of this thread?
I suppose to debate the existence and purpose of High Elves as well as the desire for them to be a playable race.
To me it mostly shows that even when given a reasonable facsimile of what has been asked for, the community of this game will continue to demand, debate, and outright argue over the need for more.
Most of the time I am all about saying that Blizzard should give us more than they do, because they should, on this one I kind of believe they have given what has been asked for and now we are arguing over cosmetics. Like being given a car and being unhappy that it is blue and not the red you imagined it would be.
But what really happened was we had blue cars all along. All of a sudden the dealership had a recall and found out their main factory was broken. Some cars made it back to the dealership, some cars remained at their new found homes with new families. Then the dealer ship decided "Hey! Let's make our cars with Nitro!" So all the cars at the dealership were supercharged except for a few that we sold on clearance to other places. Then some brilliant employees decided.. "let's work on Hybrid!"
The dealership didn't like this idea and got rid of the prototype cars and employees who continued to do it. These car achieved becoming Hybrid, and various people took them in despite the dealerships lack of will for new ideas. But then those same people who accepted their new found Hybrid cars.. still loved and had their originals. Though they are not able to drive them because their car has a boot on it.
And now you have people saying they can't drive that car, because it belongs to the dealership, even though you own it.
10/10/2018 07:59 PMPosted by
Aidre
Adding on to the intro for HEs, a cool idea would be to start it would be as a one last ditch effort at re-establishing relations with the Blood Elves at Silvermoon, which (naturally) goes wrong and we're forced to fight our way out with Vereesa, which then causes Vereesa to announce that the HEs will be taking a more direct approach to the war effort.
Something like this might be cool.
I like it, yes I did read the comic, I think this would prove that sylvanas would be evil enough to kill her sisters. I just donât want Anduin getting credit for getting their forces to commit completely. As much as I would love to see the Nightelves being the ones to bring them in, it would be more difficult to make sense, but maybe not, they did just fight side by side in Suramar.
10/10/2018 07:59 PMPosted by
Aidre
Adding on to the intro for HEs, a cool idea would be to start it would be as a one last ditch effort at re-establishing relations with the Blood Elves at Silvermoon, which (naturally) goes wrong and we're forced to fight our way out with Vereesa, which then causes Vereesa to announce that the HEs will be taking a more direct approach to the war effort.
Something like this might be cool.
I like it, yes I did read the comic, I think this would prove that sylvanas would be evil enough to kill her sisters. I just donât want Anduin getting credit for getting their forces to commit completely. As much as I would love to see the Nightelves being the ones to bring them in, it would be more difficult to make sense, but maybe not, they did just fight side by side in Suramar.
Oh! You reminded me about Suramar!
In this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4M1q-a38E
@29 seconds
This is yet another point against people who say "High Elves are Blood Elves". The High Elves (Quel'dorei) are actually specifically mentioned in it! And that was just in Legion. :)
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10/10/2018 07:44 PMPosted by
Proffit
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I suppose to debate the existence and purpose of High Elves as well as the desire for them to be a playable race.
To me it mostly shows that even when given a reasonable facsimile of what has been asked for, the community of this game will continue to demand, debate, and outright argue over the need for more.
Most of the time I am all about saying that Blizzard should give us more than they do, because they should, on this one I kind of believe they have given what has been asked for and now we are arguing over cosmetics. Like being given a car and being unhappy that it is blue and not the red you imagined it would be.
But what really happened was we had blue cars all along. All of a sudden the dealership had a recall and found out their main factory was broken. Some cars made it back to the dealership, some cars remained at their new found homes with new families. Then the dealer ship decided "Hey! Let's make our cars with Nitro!" So all the cars at the dealership were supercharged except for a few that we sold on clearance to other places. Then some brilliant employees decided.. "let's work on Hybrid!"
The dealership didn't like this idea and got rid of the prototype cars and employees who continued to do it. These car achieved becoming Hybrid, and various people took them in despite the dealerships lack of will for new ideas. But then those same people who accepted their new found Hybrid cars.. still loved and had their originals. Though they are not able to drive them because their car has a boot on it.
And now you have people saying they can't drive that car, because it belongs to the dealership, even though you own it.
As someone who works at a car dealership, this example is ridiculous and not even close to reality, regarding both dealerships and High Elves.
10/10/2018 08:26 PMPosted by
Aidre
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I like it, yes I did read the comic, I think this would prove that sylvanas would be evil enough to kill her sisters. I just donât want Anduin getting credit for getting their forces to commit completely. As much as I would love to see the Nightelves being the ones to bring them in, it would be more difficult to make sense, but maybe not, they did just fight side by side in Suramar.
Oh! You reminded me about Suramar!
In this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4M1q-a38E
@29 seconds
This is yet another point against people who say "High Elves are Blood Elves". The High Elves (Quel'dorei) are actually specifically mentioned in it! And that was just in Legion. :)
No one has denied there are political differences between both groups, but political differences alone aren't enough to warrant being a playable race.
I was thinking about the Dragon Elves that Wyspers was talking about. What if they decided to make a Worgen-like two forms ability where they are High Elf normally but can turn into a drakonid for an active buff racial (kinda like the shaman ascendance talent but as a racial)?
"Drakonid are mortals empowered by the dragons they serve, via intentional alteration or via "unintended side effect of hanging out with dragons". The process does not have to be willing."
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Drakonid
10/10/2018 08:38 PMPosted by
Shadows
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But what really happened was we had blue cars all along. All of a sudden the dealership had a recall and found out their main factory was broken. Some cars made it back to the dealership, some cars remained at their new found homes with new families. Then the dealer ship decided "Hey! Let's make our cars with Nitro!" So all the cars at the dealership were supercharged except for a few that we sold on clearance to other places. Then some brilliant employees decided.. "let's work on Hybrid!"
The dealership didn't like this idea and got rid of the prototype cars and employees who continued to do it. These car achieved becoming Hybrid, and various people took them in despite the dealerships lack of will for new ideas. But then those same people who accepted their new found Hybrid cars.. still loved and had their originals. Though they are not able to drive them because their car has a boot on it.
And now you have people saying they can't drive that car, because it belongs to the dealership, even though you own it.
As someone who works at a car dealership, this example is ridiculous and not even close to reality, regarding both dealerships and High Elves.
idk. Makes sense to me. idc how it works in the actual business. All I know is what I see on my end and quite honestly that is what I care about. The inner workings don't matter just what the customer expects.
haha I wonder if the helf discord is reading this
*hi gaiz*
To be fair, on the dragon elf thing ... it wouldn't satisfy a huge core of the fans. They want the Silver Covenant High Elf. That's important to this allied race. I think the challenge here is that differentiation that Ion suggested didn't exist. Using Nozdormu's model as an example was a method to move the convo past some trolling.
Then it becomes a question of how or why they are different? When stripped of their clothing there is the same frame / build / hair and really just different colored eyes.
This is actually a problem for Blizzard that they would need to at least in some part solve. How can they do this in a way that matters?
10/10/2018 08:45 PMPosted by
Wyspers
haha I wonder if the helf discord is reading this
*hi gaiz*
To be fair, on the dragon elf thing ... it wouldn't satisfy a huge core of the fans. They want the Silver Covenant High Elf. That's important to this allied race. I think the challenge here is that differentiation that Ion suggested didn't exist. Using Nozdormu's model as an example was a method to move the convo past some trolling.
Then it becomes a question of how or why they are different? When stripped of their clothing there is the same frame / build / hair and really just different colored eyes.
This is actually a problem for Blizzard that they would need to at least in some part solve. How can they do this in a way that matters?
I don't think it is out of the question though. Here's another snippet from the drakonid wiki:
"Drakonid have been described as half-man, half-dragon. The ascendants and Zuluhed of the Dragonmaw on Outland can turn into drakonid. Corla of the Twilight's Hammer in the Blackrock Caverns blessed fellow zealots by harnessing nether dragon essence to transform the believers into menacing twilight drakonid."https://wow.gamepedia.com/Drakonid
So transforming back and forth is already fully
a thing.
If someone has the High Elf discord link, I'd very much like to join.
:)
Aidre#7534 is my discord
10/10/2018 08:26 PMPosted by
Aidre
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Oh! You reminded me about Suramar!
In this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4M1q-a38E
@29 seconds
This is yet another point against people who say "High Elves are Blood Elves". The High Elves (Quel'dorei) are actually specifically mentioned in it! And that was just in Legion. :)
No one has denied there are political differences between both groups, but political differences alone aren't enough to warrant being a playable race.
^See bold text
Yet we get Void Elves and they had (quite literally) 0 backround to them. They were just made up, so your point is void.
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10/10/2018 08:38 PMPosted by
Shadows
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As someone who works at a car dealership, this example is ridiculous and not even close to reality, regarding both dealerships and High Elves.
idk. Makes sense to me. idc how it works in the actual business. All I know is what I see on my end and quite honestly that is what I care about. The inner workings don't matter just what the customer expects.
Is it the dealership's fault if the customer had the wrong expectations to begin with? The correct answer is no.
Say someone brings their car in for an air bag recall. The recall covers a defective inflator module. However, this vehicle also has a defective clockspring which has set the air bag light and a code in the system.
The customer hears "air bag recall" and assumes any and everything dealing with the air bag system will be fixed free of charge. This is not true, as only the defective inflator module is covered. The customer learns they will have to pay for the clockspring repair and blows a gasket. They make a scene in the service drive, storm out, and post scathing reviews of the dealership online.
What does this have to do with High Elves? Well, the people who are still asking for them after Blizzard explained why we were given Void Elves instead are acting very much like the customer who had the wrong expectations of the dealership.