The Unofficial High Elf Discussion Megathread

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10/10/2018 04:22 PMPosted by Shadows
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Right then, we'll get Draco'dorei. Dragons that combined their essence with High Elves so that neither race will go extinct. They have the exact same customization options as Blood Elves, but with horns.

https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/thumb/7/77/Azuregos_high_elf.jpg/300px-Azuregos_high_elf.jpg?version=af70891b2bf1213d0c1431ca40b2a571

There we go. Prettier, and new. We haven't had Dragon Elves before, after all.

Or you know... we could avoid further lore abominations (like Void Elves or Blood Elves going Horde), and just add High Elves to the Alliance with some different classes and different hair styles/colors and skin colors, with tattoos.


Or...you could just accept the fact that playable High Elves aren't gonna happen and move on to other things.


I will in 21 days when my sub runs out don't worry it isn't just because of high elves more just sick of blizz crapping on the alliance in general the latest one being "free willed" undead night elves.
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10/10/2018 04:23 PMPosted by Aidre
Please don't get me excited about High Elf/Dragon combos. I already have the Dragonswrath staff and I'll die of happiness if they did that.


:) I already wrote like 3 pages of fanfic in other threads on this topic just for fun. I wasn't taking it seriously just pointing out how headcannon is headcannon and fantasy is easy to bend, especially with time travel.

Nozdormu and Siridormu, patrons of the Quel'dorei

https://image.ibb.co/nzDH3n/Nozdormu_and_Soridormi_High_Elves.jpg

These are a unique in game model exclusive to the Bronze dragon flight. Not only do they take the appearance of the High Elves there is no explanation currently as to why. Except for this little nugget of arcana:

https://image.ibb.co/mhGhJy/Ronin_and_Vareesa.png (note the beautiful blue eyes)

Ronin, a human of the Kirin Tor and Vareesa a Quel'dorei ranger had children. Twins, and two of the only halflings on Azeroth's current timeline. Here's where this gets interesting in this setting however. Of all the beings on Azeroth Ronin and Vareesa's children are the only two who have been offered the friendship of Nozdormu, and the entire Bronze Dragonflight.

The Bronze Flight is the most powerful (and cursed) flight of dragons. Nozdormu himself is a quirky being who has a habit of breaking the rules for what seems to be his perception of common sense. He himself brought back the Blue Dragonflight from extinction. Simply because he thought "things would be better with blue dragons than without, hmph".

Every dragon chooses a mortal form for their own personal reasons. So find me the answer to these questions, and I think you have your backstory. Why did Nozdormu choose this form? Who else on Azeroth has this form?

https://image.ibb.co/feijin/tumblr_mo9riz_Sv_Vw1s775lso1_1280.png

From there I think it's easy to say we could find a reborn Quel'dorei immersed in chronomancy. Hidden and protected on the Dragon Isles by Nozdormu himself.

https://image.ibb.co/fyVwyn/tattoos_women_paintings_assassin_assassins_fantasy_art_drake_artwork_drawings_long_ears_airbrushed_s_www_wallpaperhi_com_35.jpg

All of this speculation is from cannon.
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10/10/2018 03:59 PMPosted by Xathra
10/10/2018 03:25 PMPosted by Shadows
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Stories in development change all the time. The final version was Blood Elves joining the Horde. This is established lore.


Did I disagree? I said they went against lore and anything post that is post justification it was done because there was a significant faction gap due to the horde lacking a pretty race.


I mean it's a pretty moot point to bring out. Blood Elves are horde, regardless of any meta justification, that's the lore. To say "they should have been alliance" is a what if scenario that holds no significance to discussions of the lore.
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10/10/2018 04:44 PMPosted by Wyspers
10/10/2018 04:23 PMPosted by Aidre
Please don't get me excited about High Elf/Dragon combos. I already have the Dragonswrath staff and I'll die of happiness if they did that.


:) I already wrote like 3 pages of fanfic in other threads on this topic just for fun. I wasn't taking it seriously just pointing out how headcannon is headcannon and fantasy is easy to bend, especially with time travel.

Nozdormu and Siridormu, patrons of the Quel'dorei

https://image.ibb.co/nzDH3n/Nozdormu_and_Soridormi_High_Elves.jpg

These are a unique in game model exclusive to the Bronze dragon flight. Not only do they take the appearance of the High Elves there is no explanation currently as to why. Except for this little nugget of arcana:

https://image.ibb.co/mhGhJy/Ronin_and_Vareesa.png (note the beautiful blue eyes)

Ronin, a human of the Kirin Tor and Vareesa a Quel'dorei ranger had children. Twins, and two of the only halflings on Azeroth's current timeline. Here's where this gets interesting in this setting however. Of all the beings on Azeroth Ronin and Vareesa's children are the only two who have been offered the friendship of the Nozdormu, and the entire Bronze Dragonflight.

The Bronze Flight is the most powerful (and cursed) flight of dragons. Nozdormu himself is a quirky being who has a habit of breaking the rules for what seems to be his perception of common sense. He himself brought back the Blue Dragonflight from extinction. Simply because he thought "things would be better with blue dragons than without, hmph".

Every dragon chooses a mortal form for their own personal reasons. So find me the answer to these questions, and I think you have your backstory. Why did Nozdormu choose this form? Who else on Azeroth has this form?

https://image.ibb.co/feijin/tumblr_mo9riz_Sv_Vw1s775lso1_1280.png

From there I think it's easy to say we could find a reborn Quel'dorei immersed in chronomancy. Hidden and protected on the Dragon Isles by Nozdormu himself.

https://image.ibb.co/fyVwyn/tattoos_women_paintings_assassin_assassins_fantasy_art_drake_artwork_drawings_long_ears_airbrushed_s_www_wallpaperhi_com_35.jpg

All of this speculation is from cannon.


You've done quite a lot of looking into this haha. Well done!
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So basically headcanonning things in to make an argument, there's no clear way to say how they live just because they have a large ranger contingent (and that the Farstriders themselves probably aren't of equal size.)


Do you even comprehend what a suggestion is?

And none of my reasoning for the idea was headcanon.

Silvermoon is a city overflowing with magical floating things/robot servants and slaves.

Silver Covenant are mostly Rangers and all military.

The lodges are outdoors.

What parts of those are headcanon again?

There's literally not enough of a difference to warrant model changing/etc. Especially considering the original contention here being that Lor'themar, A RANGER OF SILVERMOON shows the blood elves can and are rough and tumble just like any in the Silver Covenant.


A guy whos lore states that he constantly feels out of place and is an oddball?

Humans of stormwind can be fat too, but only the Kul Tiran player model is to show their difference.

Heck, the average Kul Tiran looks just like a stormwind human.

And then there's the fact that any high elf added....continues to literally be the same as any on the Horde except eye color. You're not getting model changes based on a perceived "amg woodsy elf guiys!


You mean like Kul Tiran's who had the exact same Builds, Accents, Buildings, armor, and boats as Stormwind Humans.

Yet suddenly, after around 20 years of being seen by the player base, they where Bulky with British Accents, Copper Roofs, and Spanish Armor with magical sea blessed boats made by Human Shaman, that never where hinted at before, magically appeared overnight? You mean like that?

This coming from someone who's posting on a character race that used to only be depicted as recolored Night Elves with Humans Eyes.

But them being built more buff because they live different lives then those in Silvermoon is unreasonable.

Also the Dalaran High Elves where a separate thing for 3,000 years. They can add any differences they want.
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10/10/2018 04:22 PMPosted by Shadows
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Right then, we'll get Draco'dorei. Dragons that combined their essence with High Elves so that neither race will go extinct. They have the exact same customization options as Blood Elves, but with horns.

https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/thumb/7/77/Azuregos_high_elf.jpg/300px-Azuregos_high_elf.jpg?version=af70891b2bf1213d0c1431ca40b2a571

There we go. Prettier, and new. We haven't had Dragon Elves before, after all.

Or you know... we could avoid further lore abominations (like Void Elves or Blood Elves going Horde), and just add High Elves to the Alliance with some different classes and different hair styles/colors and skin colors, with tattoos.


Or...you could just accept the fact that playable High Elves aren't gonna happen and move on to other things.


Talking in absolutes doesn't make your arugment stronger. That's like me saying you will never get Flying or Vulpera... Truth is, I don't know if you will, because I don't work for Blizz. I think it's safe to assume that you do not as well.

We don't have too and won't move on to other things if we don't wish too. Blizzard asked for what we wish to see as Allied Races, and High Elves is what we wish to see. You can move on to other topics that best suit your wants in game, but don't try to force others to do what they don't want too.
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10/10/2018 06:06 PMPosted by Drede
So basically headcanonning things in to make an argument, there's no clear way to say how they live just because they have a large ranger contingent (and that the Farstriders themselves probably aren't of equal size.)


Do you even comprehend what a suggestion is?

And none of my reasoning for the idea was headcanon.

Silvermoon is a city overflowing with magical floating things/robot servants and slaves.

Silver Covenant are mostly Rangers and all military.

The lodges are outdoors.

What parts of those are headcanon again?

There's literally not enough of a difference to warrant model changing/etc. Especially considering the original contention here being that Lor'themar, A RANGER OF SILVERMOON shows the blood elves can and are rough and tumble just like any in the Silver Covenant.


A guy whos lore states that he constantly feels out of place and is an oddball?

Humans of stormwind can be fat too, but only the Kul Tiran player model is to show their difference.

Heck, the average Kul Tiran looks just like a stormwind human.

And then there's the fact that any high elf added....continues to literally be the same as any on the Horde except eye color. You're not getting model changes based on a perceived "amg woodsy elf guiys!


You mean like Kul Tiran's who had the exact same Builds, Accents, Buildings, armor, and boats as Stormwind Humans.

Yet suddenly, after around 20 years of being seen by the player base, they where Bulky with British Accents, Copper Roofs, and Spanish Armor with magical sea blessed boats made by Human Shaman, that never where hinted at before, magically appeared overnight? You mean like that?

This coming from someone who's posting on a character race that used to only be depicted as recolored Night Elves with Humans Eyes.

But them being built more buff because they live different lives then those in Silvermoon is unreasonable.

Also the Dalaran High Elves where a separate thing for 3,000 years. They can add any differences they want.


Come on dude, the core of it is that for some people, High Elves will never be different enough, nor can conceivable be so.

Forms follows function; if HE were to be playable, and needed to look unique enough, there's enough reasons and even retcons to explain that. It's irrelevant to discuss if HE can look different enough as if it was some sort of requirement to be able to be playable.

If needed, they would look different, simply as that.
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look I would have played high elves if they went to alliance and not horde, with that being said now that they are horde its to late its cannon I have to deal with it as do we all and I personally have grown attached as have countless others to my race belf/helf being horde would I have played them if they never went to horde but to alliance yes I would still only played them. but that didn't happen its to late they have said countless times no they are content now to let us debate this to shut us up on this.
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Also another thing I'd like to add is that when people say things along the line of Blood Elves are High Elves or if you want elves with light skin, the horde is there for you yadayadayada.. I always go back to the Argent Tournament in Northrend and the whole theme there is basically Alliance v Horde with High Elves v Blood Elves

Even in game they're represented as completely separate, albeit, old content now. Though even if you go to Telogrus Rift as a Void Elf, there's plenty of High Elves there walking around.

Just my 2c
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10/10/2018 06:17 PMPosted by Jainadain
but that didn't happen its to late they have said countless times no


They never said no.

They said no plans in the near future but anything can happen.

Know what the did say no on? Flying, Classic Servers, Heritage Armor for old races.

Things change.
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10/10/2018 06:17 PMPosted by Jainadain
look I would have played high elves if they went to alliance and not horde, with that being said now that they are horde its to late its cannon I have to deal with it as do we all and I personally have grown attached as have countless others to my race belf/helf being horde would I have played them if they never went to horde but to alliance yes I would still only played them. but that didn't happen its to late they have said countless times no they are content now to let us debate this to shut us up on this.


But they didn't say no at all. He said: "Anything's possible in the future but no plans in the near term."

So your point is void. (No pun intended)
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Where's the Fel Elf Megathread?
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10/10/2018 06:25 PMPosted by Drede
10/10/2018 06:17 PMPosted by Jainadain
but that didn't happen its to late they have said countless times no


They never said no.

They said no plans in the near future but anything can happen.

Know what the did say no on? Flying, Classic Servers, Heritage Armor for old races.

Things change.


Also this^

They didn't say no to High Elves indefinitely, but they've said solid no's to those things.
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10/10/2018 06:21 PMPosted by Aidre
Also another thing I'd like to add is that when people say things along the line of Blood Elves are High Elves or if you want elves with light skin, the horde is there for you yadayadayada.. I always go back to the Argent Tournament in Northrend and the whole theme there is basically Alliance v Horde with High Elves v Blood Elves

Even in game they're represented as completely separate, albeit, old content now. Though even if you go to Telogrus Rift as a Void Elf, there's plenty of High Elves there walking around.

Just my 2c
blood elves hate those elves because they are dishonorable jerks whom allowed their rightful ruler kael'thas and the blood elves with him to be captured to than be killed and the rest hunted down and killed. they harbor immense hatred. if those elves would have helped them kael'thas wouldn't have gone fel crazed or join illidan and the blood elves might have actually been apart of the alliance along with forsaken. that's one the lore reasons why they hate them. as for the void elves, did you not see what it did to the sunwell when aleria went near it the sunwell is as important to the blood elves as elune is the night elves.
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10/10/2018 06:26 PMPosted by Mchunterd
Where's the Fel Elf Megathread?


I get you're joking, but Blood Elves ARE Fel Elves hahahaha. That's a whole branch of argument here. Blood ELves are tainted by fel. So they're already in the game!
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People claiming High Elves are impossible because Alliance got Void Elves is akin to saying that because Alliance got Dark Irons there will be no chance of them ever getting Wildhammers. Which, of course, is just plain ridiculous.

Who decided that we only get 1 Allied Race per 1 Core Race? Certainly, Blizz never said any such thing.
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I can give you the interview were ion said no but I cant remember which one I will look for it though.
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10/10/2018 06:29 PMPosted by Jainadain
10/10/2018 06:21 PMPosted by Aidre
Also another thing I'd like to add is that when people say things along the line of Blood Elves are High Elves or if you want elves with light skin, the horde is there for you yadayadayada.. I always go back to the Argent Tournament in Northrend and the whole theme there is basically Alliance v Horde with High Elves v Blood Elves

Even in game they're represented as completely separate, albeit, old content now. Though even if you go to Telogrus Rift as a Void Elf, there's plenty of High Elves there walking around.

Just my 2c
blood elves hate those elves because they are dishonorable jerks whom allowed their rightful ruler kael'thas and the blood elves with him to be captured to than be killed and the rest hunted down and killed. they harbor immense hatred. if those elves would have helped them kael'thas wouldn't have gone fel crazed or join illidan and the blood elves might have actually been apart of the alliance along with forsaken. that's one the lore reasons why they hate them. as for the void elves, did you not see what it did to the sunwell when aleria went near it the sunwell is as important to the blood elves as elune is the night elves.


Lol I know the lore. But my point being was that they're (High Elves) very clearly represented in game.
Appreciate you not being hostile here though.
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10/10/2018 06:17 PMPosted by Jainadain
look I would have played high elves if they went to alliance and not horde, with that being said now that they are horde its to late its cannon I have to deal with it as do we all and I personally have grown attached as have countless others to my race belf/helf being horde would I have played them if they never went to horde but to alliance yes I would still only played them. but that didn't happen its to late they have said countless times no they are content now to let us debate this to shut us up on this.


I would be with you on this one if High Elves didn't exist on the alliance as some very recognizable groups.

This is not an issue of "I wanted BE to be alliance" no. The issue is that High Elves have continuously been an alliance presence, with at least 3 unique enclaves - not counting the 2 already gone by now-

This is an issue that Blizzard created by making a explicitly alliance faction of a BE group. They could have written out the High Elves during WoW, they could have phased them out to the point they are a handful. Yet no, they keep making them pop around as a presence on the alliance.

That Blood Elves went to the horde is pretty irrelevant to High Elves continuously popping in the alliance narrative.

This is a problem that Blizzard itself created, and has offered no resolution.

HE are part of the alliance, have a rich history with it, and they have the nostalgia factor, it would be naive to think people would not want to play as them -who keep popping IN- and blizzard has done nothing to address this situation as part of the narrative.

Lorewise, There's No Reason Why High Elves Aren't Playable. They are alliance members, they participate on alliance ceremonies, on their behalf, as enforcers, as members.
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10/10/2018 06:29 PMPosted by Aidre
10/10/2018 06:26 PMPosted by Mchunterd
Where's the Fel Elf Megathread?


I get you're joking, but Blood Elves ARE Fel Elves hahahaha. That's a whole branch of argument here. Blood ELves are tainted by fel. So they're already in the game!
accept blood elves the fact that's not why they are called blood elf and not all blood elves are fel tainted or even were so please do some study.