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10/10/2018 06:31 PMPosted by Jainadain
I can give you the interview were ion said no but I cant remember which one I will look for it though.


I know the video, I was there watching it live. And I quoted it in my above posts.

https://youtu.be/AUik9-2ygS8?t=2781
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10/10/2018 06:00 PMPosted by Aidre


You've done quite a lot of looking into this haha. Well done!


Chronamancy is their racial too. It's a reverse blink. Like a hunter's disengage except it's targeted at the last position where the spell began. Pop it once and then pop it again or within a timer you are reverted to that position. :)
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10/10/2018 06:34 PMPosted by Wyspers
10/10/2018 06:00 PMPosted by Aidre


You've done quite a lot of looking into this haha. Well done!


Chronamancy is their racial too. It's a reverse blink. Like a hunter's disengage except it's targeted at the last position where the spell began. Pop it once and then pop it again or within a timer you are reverted to that position. :)


Sounds like a reversed spatial rift, which is entirely appropriate actually.
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10/10/2018 06:33 PMPosted by Jainadain
10/10/2018 06:29 PMPosted by Aidre
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I get you're joking, but Blood Elves ARE Fel Elves hahahaha. That's a whole branch of argument here. Blood ELves are tainted by fel. So they're already in the game!
accept blood elves the fact that's not why they are called blood elf and not all blood elves are fel tainted or even were so please do some study.


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I know why they're called Blood Elves. It was used to honor the dead who died defending Quel'thalas from the scourge. And yes, they were tainted by the fel, that's what they used to sustain themselves with Kael.

I know the lore in this game better than my own history irl hahaha. I have done my study. So can you please do some study now. :)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWRLkhSfrEw in this ion explains why the alliance got void elves and why if you want a high elf looking elf play horde.
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10/10/2018 06:31 PMPosted by Jainadain
I can give you the interview were ion said no but I cant remember which one I will look for it though.


I’ve watched those interviews countless times, so no you can’t because the only time he said ‘no’, people purposefully drop the rest of the quote. What he said was ‘No plans in the near future... but anything can happen in the future’. Saying that Ion or any other Dev ever said ‘No’ is just not factual.
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10/10/2018 06:36 PMPosted by Gulrum
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Chronamancy is their racial too. It's a reverse blink. Like a hunter's disengage except it's targeted at the last position where the spell began. Pop it once and then pop it again or within a timer you are reverted to that position. :)


Sounds like a reversed spatial rift, which is entirely appropriate actually.


Yeah it was the only idea I came up with that I thought was really good. Except I do like dragons. Then there really is a space between Nozdormu and the High Elves through Ronin, Vareesa, and the twins.
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10/10/2018 06:34 PMPosted by Aidre
10/10/2018 06:31 PMPosted by Jainadain
I can give you the interview were ion said no but I cant remember which one I will look for it though.


I know the video, I was there watching it live. And I quoted it in my above posts.

https://youtu.be/AUik9-2ygS8?t=2781
-_- you linked it before me and I didn't see you do so because I didn't refresh page until I was done linking it...]
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10/10/2018 06:39 PMPosted by Jainadain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWRLkhSfrEw in this ion explains why the alliance got void elves and why if you want a high elf looking elf play horde.


Read my above posts
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Just to add some more fuel to the discussion.

I think a key aspect to creating a racial identity is to have a cultural theme that influences a races ideologies and is also reflected in their appearance. For example,
  • Kul'tirans are mariners with nautical themes
  • Void Elves are themed around dangerous but powerful magic
  • Mag'har are savage but traditional orcs
  • Nightborne are masters of the arcane

Each of these races and more have a core theme that defines their race and helps influence their culture and general appearance. For Alliance High Elves what would their core theme be and how would it manifest within their culture. Some ideas that I can think of are the following.
  • Loyalty, they are a people that place a greater emphasis on oaths and honor than nation and necessity
  • Adaptation, being exiles in a new society calls for change and willingness to grow in new directions as they both influence the societies they live in while also bringing in new ideas and customs into their own way of life.
  • Legacy, the past may be gone but its echoes provide the guidance and spirit to forge forward into a new future.

How would these themes or others that you can think of manifest themselves both in Alliance High Elf culture and their general appearance?
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High Elves are as impossible as the developer's sensibilities dictate so.

They want to preserve faction identity; that's the reason why HE aren't playable, they look too much like BE.

So what if they decide "if we make them look different enough, that's okay"

Justifications of why they look different come after the decision they need to look different. And as for those justifications, look at any idea presented on this thread.

If you call that a headcanon, you are missing the point of those ideas. The point is that HE can conceivably made to look aesthetically dissimilar to Blood Elves
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10/10/2018 06:17 PMPosted by Jainadain
look I would have played high elves if they went to alliance and not horde, with that being said now that they are horde its to late its cannon I have to deal with it as do we all and I personally have grown attached as have countless others to my race belf/helf being horde would I have played them if they never went to horde but to alliance yes I would still only played them. but that didn't happen its to late they have said countless times no they are content now to let us debate this to shut us up on this.


They did not say "no."

They did say "maybe in the future."

No one that is Pro-High Elf believes that Blood Elves should come back to the Alliance. The Blood Elves are Horde and that's where they should stay. High Elves, which are not Blood Elves, are already on the Alliance and have been there. They never left the Alliance. And according to them in game, they feel they are different from their cousins, the Blood Elves.

The idea that it is too late is subjective at best. The fact that Allied Races as a feature, allows the High Elves to be a possibility. They can be made with the Allied Race features, different enough, to make them a playable race.

People have the right to be concerned that their looks and/or identity would be stolen. But this is not the case at all. As been discussed countless times to assure them, High Elves have their own path to take, there is still opposition. The thing is, we as a Pro community have taken the measures to calm these concerns in any ways we could without stepping on toes, only to be met with "No" by the Anti-High Elf crowd, not Blizzard. At what point does it become a fact that it is only "I don't want it, so you can't have it?"

There is lore and in game references that separates them. Their Ideals and practices, lifestyles are different. Where Blood Elves rise to the Eternal Sun, the High Elves fight for a place in their world to not be forgotten. That's why even Classes were going to be different as well.

Regaurdless what people have come up with, people will continue to say no. People will continue to shut us up or try to derail us in their panic. That's fine, they can disagree. But as long as the lore exists of their split, as long as High Elves continue to show up and help the Alliance, as long as they exist in Dalaran, Stormwind, and other Lodges.. there will always be a call for them.

As long a Allied Race features exist, there is a possibility to make them something people really want them to be. To simply tell us we are not ever getting them or we need to stop.. provides nothing constructive and does nothing to make your case stronger.

We were asked for what we wanted as Allied Races. This is what we want, this is what I've wanted since vanilla. So I will continue to show my support for their addition.
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10/10/2018 06:34 PMPosted by Wyspers
10/10/2018 06:00 PMPosted by Aidre


You've done quite a lot of looking into this haha. Well done!


Chronamancy is their racial too. It's a reverse blink. Like a hunter's disengage except it's targeted at the last position where the spell began. Pop it once and then pop it again or within a timer you are reverted to that position. :)


It sounds great, but as an arcane mage, we have displacement (https://www.wowhead.com/spell=195676/displacement) already which sounds super similar to that haha.

I wouldn't mind having more movement options though! But I'm sure Blizz would have a problem with it hahaha.

Definitely on the right track though. Maybe like an ability that affects cooldowns? Reduces ability cooldowns to represent their master over time?
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Just to add some more fuel to the discussion.

I think a key aspect to creating a racial identity is theme that influences their ideologies and is also captured in their appearance. For example see the following.
  • Kul'tirans are mariners with nautical themes
  • Void Elves are themed around dangerous but powerful magic
  • Mag'har are savage but traditional orcs
  • Nightborne are masters of the arcane


Each of these races and more have a core theme that defines their race and helps influence their culture and general appearance. For Alliance High Elves what would their core theme be and how would it manifest within their culture. Some ideas that I can think of are the following.

  • Loyalty, they are a people that place a greater emphasis on oaths and honor than nation and necessity
  • Adaptation, being exiles in a new society calls for change and willingness to grow in new directions as they both influence the societies they live in while also bring in new ideas and customs into their way of life.
  • Legacy, the past may be gone but its echoes provide the guidance and spirit to forge forward into a new future.

How would these themes or others that you can think of manifest themselves both in Alliance High Elf culture and their general appearance?


I mean for starters, Silver Covenant HE already have an unique context to any other race; they are a group of people living hosted by another culture; their largest demographic residing on a city founded by cultural syncretism. They are expats, adrift outside their homeland after a regime change, with little hope of returning home.

But instead of creating a new city for them, they assimilate into their host culture. How does that change their own culture through time? what traditions they have absorbed? what values and morals? Their context is unique to this day as they not solely exists as temporary refuges -as many other races have existed through WoW- but exist as expats, members of a community entrenched within human culture, on a civic center born out of both people's cooperation.

Much of the same is true for the Allerian Stronghold HE.

As for the Highvale, that might be the largest predominantly HE settlement, but seems more like a cloister. They have a uniquely elven culture as they exist as a fringe of it, with their own traditions as light devotee Farstriders.
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10/10/2018 06:47 PMPosted by Aidre
10/10/2018 06:34 PMPosted by Wyspers
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Chronamancy is their racial too. It's a reverse blink. Like a hunter's disengage except it's targeted at the last position where the spell began. Pop it once and then pop it again or within a timer you are reverted to that position. :)


It sounds great, but as an arcane mage, we have displacement (https://www.wowhead.com/spell=195676/displacement) already which sounds super similar to that haha.

I wouldn't mind having more movement options though! But I'm sure Blizz would have a problem with it hahaha.

Definitely on the right track though. Maybe like an ability that affects cooldowns? Reduces ability cooldowns to represent their master over time?


As a hunter I have camouflage and shadowmeld. It's a very powerful combo. :)
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10/10/2018 04:22 PMPosted by Shadows
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Right then, we'll get Draco'dorei. Dragons that combined their essence with High Elves so that neither race will go extinct. They have the exact same customization options as Blood Elves, but with horns.

https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/thumb/7/77/Azuregos_high_elf.jpg/300px-Azuregos_high_elf.jpg?version=af70891b2bf1213d0c1431ca40b2a571

There we go. Prettier, and new. We haven't had Dragon Elves before, after all.

Or you know... we could avoid further lore abominations (like Void Elves or Blood Elves going Horde), and just add High Elves to the Alliance with some different classes and different hair styles/colors and skin colors, with tattoos.


Or...you could just accept the fact that playable High Elves aren't gonna happen and move on to other things.

Or you could just accept the fact that people are always going to be discussing this topic, and you could move on and quit taking up discussion space with your spam?

Silver covenant, allerian stronghold, and hinterlands have elves loyal to the Alliance that’s what we would like to play. Plain and simple. If you don’t get it then that’s your problem.
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10/10/2018 06:30 PMPosted by Gulrum
People claiming High Elves are impossible because Alliance got Void Elves is akin to saying that because Alliance got Dark Irons there will be no chance of them ever getting Wildhammers. Which, of course, is just plain ridiculous.

Who decided that we only get 1 Allied Race per 1 Core Race? Certainly, Blizz never said any such thing.


Piss-poor comparison. You know because all of the Dwarf races are of the same faction, right?

Next time, put thought into your argument. You might partially make sense.
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Or...you could just accept the fact that playable High Elves aren't gonna happen and move on to other things.

Or you could just accept the fact that people are always going to be discussing this topic, and you could move on and quit taking up discussion space with your spam?

Silver covenant, allerian stronghold, and hinterlands have elves loyal to the Alliance that’s what we would like to play. Plain and simple. If you don’t get it then that’s your problem.


I guess having discussions in a black hole where no one around you cares or is even listening anymore makes total sense.
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10/10/2018 07:03 PMPosted by Crøwley
10/10/2018 06:30 PMPosted by Gulrum
People claiming High Elves are impossible because Alliance got Void Elves is akin to saying that because Alliance got Dark Irons there will be no chance of them ever getting Wildhammers. Which, of course, is just plain ridiculous.

Who decided that we only get 1 Allied Race per 1 Core Race? Certainly, Blizz never said any such thing.


Piss-poor comparison. You know because all of the Dwarf races are of the same faction, right?

Next time, put thought into your argument. You might partially make sense.


Given that he is making a counter to the notion that "only one allied race per core race" Your response makes no sense.

Pot, meet kettle.
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10/04/2018 03:12 AMPosted by Xyaa
Alliance High Elves Allied race

Disclaimer: This is the Unofficial High Elves Allied race mega thread, We want to respectfully keep the discussion to stay in this mega thread, So the forums aren't contested by 500+ High Elf topics on the front page, any further threads about High elves or Quel’dorei made outside of this thread, will not be the voice nor representation or be in association with the High elven community. As it stands we would like to keep it respectful and for the discussion to focus on the developments and the story of Quel’dorei (High elves) since the last mega-thread. We do not condone trolling from either side both for and against.

With this in mind, we’d like to share some comments and thoughts from our community on what we specifically mean and would like when asking for High elves.

“High elves to me mean loyalty to friends and family above all. What I want specifically for them to be is to embody the ranger culture that was prevalent in the ranger core of quel'thalas. The classic wood elf feels but to also incorporate elements from the high elves of Stormwind and dalaran giving them magi and a link to the kirin tor as well as paladins.

I want those that chose to remain with the alliance for any number of reasons.” - Fliktarg - US

“To me, the High Elves are an adherence to tradition, principles, and family all while hoping for a better future. A renewed future. The High Elves have fought for peace and responsibility (especially in magical use as they are fully aware of the consequences) in the world since their exile from Kalimdor. The Sin'dorei, and now the Ren'dorei have all abandoned their traditional views and way of life when it comes to magical responsibility and traditional values. Values which were long intact due to lessons learned in the first coming of the Burning Legion. Those two have worked with and embraced the very forces that the Quel'dorei have long fought to keep at bay. It is as though they have completely forgotten their own heritage to become that which seeks power at any cost, regardless of the consequences. The Quel'dorei have held onto and openly embraced their traditional ways without succumbing to such a low and basal instinct as one would expect from the other races of Azeroth who are not nearly so long-lived and have not learned the same lessons as a whole people. They are unique, filled with an unwavering integrity in the face of even the darkest days and the ravages of the scourge. Instead of succumbing to the darkness of fel and void like many of their kin they have embraced their unique, continuing cultural identity with renewed fervor; never betraying their principles. Never becoming the 'joiner' in the 'if you can't beat them, join them," mentality. They truly are High Elves in name, action, and in continued principles; which makes them an undeniable and unique bright star in the Warcraft universe.” - Arisena Sunsworn

“To me, High elves represent the Alliance more than most of the races currently in it. They are a strong, independent people who parted from their kin during the most difficult times. And unlike the Blood elves, they never lost their way. They've stayed true to themselves and to the Alliance. That loyalty is something that most playable races today lack. They have always believed in the Alliance, and for that reason alone, they should finally be their own playable race.

And on a more serious note...

Their inclusion as a playable race would be a really nice gesture to Alliance players amongst the current hostility. Sometimes, it feels like Blizzard is putting Horde players' opinions first with every new feature. For once, I'd like to see them put the Alliance first, and give us something of actual value. Give us something that makes us proud to be playing our faction.” - Stephanië US

“High Elves, why should they be added? Well in my opinion not because of what they are, but because of what they represent. High Elves were always deeply connected with azerothian humanity and served as something like (analogically) its older cousins. They tutored humankind since its very origin in Arathor and continued to teach other (now Alliance) races and nations about the world. It's because of them that Alliance exists in its current form and i feel like it's really shame that they can't be officially part of what they helped to build.“ - Spinel EU

High Elves are the Elves who choose loyalty over nationality. People who chose their friends over their brethren. They are the elves who overcame the mana addiction without fel magic. I want them because they have a lot to bring to the lore of Warcraft and represent a missed opportunity at deepening the story behind the Alliance/Horde conflict
Also, Elves just belong with humans dwarves and gnomes - Enariel (CrazedRaven) - US

Overview of what has been done to High Elves in BFA

Now we are going to move onto, High Elf NPC’s in Through BFA beta,Live & PTR, Multiple High Elf NPC’s have been added.

-Let’s start with Frostfencer Seraphi, Who is part of the Island team, <Auric’s Angels> Which can only be referencing Auric Sunchaser. (https://www.wowhead.com/npc=130620/frostfencer-seraphi)

-Next we have Two new High Elf NPC's in BFA Islands expendtions.(https://www.wowhead.com/npc=136540/apprentice-karyn#modelviewer:10+0 https://www.wowhead.com/npc=136534/valero#modelviewer:10+0 )

-We also have Yvera Dawnwing, A portal master in Bourlas and Stromgarde keep. Where she is a quest giver. (https://www.wowhead.com/npc=143380/yvera-dawnwing)

-Lastly we have the High Elf 7th Legion shield mages, on the Stromgarde keep, warfront airship (https://www.wowhead.com/npc=140024/7th-legion-shield-mage#outfit)

Speculation on the future

In the recent weeks, there have been some in-game ‘leaks’ related to potential upcoming Warfronts. The text can be seen via typing:

/run for i=5,12 do local n,d = C_ContributionCollector.GetName(i), C_ContributionCollector.GetDescription(i) if n ~= "" then print(n..": "..d) end end


in the in game chat box which shows this text:

Barrens Warfront: Attack the Southern Barrens and break through the Great Gates of Mulgore.
Silvermoon Warfront: Assault the final Horde bastion on the Eastern Kingdoms, and cleanse our land of their filth.
Azshara Warfront: Launch a massive Naval assault on the home of Gallywix. Bilgewater will burn.
Battle for Stromgarde: Donate supplies to the war effort as the impending battle over Arathi Highlands nears.


The text describes possible Warfronts including a potential Silvermoon Warfront.

As the High Elven people originate from Quel’thalas, this Warfront is a perfect opportunity to showcase Veressa and the Silver Covenant on the Front lines fighting alongside the Alliance in an attempt to reclaim their homeland.

Within the High Elf Community Discord ‘The Legacy of the Quel’dorei’, there have been discussions regarding what this Warfront may entail. Without getting into too much detail, here are some potential ideas:

-The Warfront revolves around the war between the Elven factions - Blood Elves, Nightborne and San’layn (for the Horde) against Night Elves, Void Elves and High Elves (for the Alliance).
-The Warfront includes some form of emotional response from the Blood Elves as they remember the Scourge Invasion of Quel’thalas.
-Portrayal of comparisons between Arthas and Anduin.
- A potential betrayal from within Quel’thalas just as Dar’khan Drathir betrayed Silvermoon during the Third War. This has been speculated to be Halduron Brightwing, as he is someone of importance and also has relations with Veressa and Alleria Windrunner since he was a child. It also gives an opportunity for Liadrin to replace Halduron as her character has become quite significant.
- Potential Commanders for the Warfront could include Alleria, Vereesa or Auric for the Alliance whilst Lor’themar, Rommath or a potential San’layn for the Horde.

Note, whilst not all suggestions may necessarily entail High Elves, the ideas are in regards to an opportune time for the High Elves to be added as an Allied Race.

Types of Alliance allied High elves

For clarification, the High Elves which are being requested are NOT the Elves from Quel’thalas. Instead come from ideally the Silver Covenant, however, can come from Lodges throughout Azeroth or Stormwind for example. But, the ideal situation are those from the Silver Covenant.

“The Silver Covenant is a militant faction of high elves led by the high elf Vereesa Windrunner. They reject the admission of blood elves into the Kirin Tor and have taken it upon themselves to serve as a military deterrent for any potential Horde uprising. They have joined the Alliance Vanguard, along with the Explorers' League and the main host of the Valiance Expedition, in Northrend. They employ hippogryphs as well. The Horde equivalent of the Silver Covenant are the Sunreavers.”

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Silver_Covenant


The Silver Covenant was first introduced in the expansion Wrath of the Lich King and, since then acted with the Alliance across many events within the Alliance War Campaign throughout expansions. (More information will be listed below)

There are currently 48 named Silver Covenant High Elves whom have interacted with players, including other unnamed members which supply forces to the Alliance military such as the 7th Legion Battlemages as a singular example.

Other concentrations of High Elf NPCs include places such as Quel’danil Lodge - whom work with Alliance Adventurers (the player) to rid Forsaken invaders from it’s lands. The Lodge is the larger of two major populations within Lordaeron.

High Elves are also found within Stormwind - particularly the Mage Quarter. The City of Dalaran as well as the Allerian Stronghold within Outland.

Patches High Elves have played a role.

2.0 = Allerian Stronghold High Elves added with Quests.

3.0 - 3.2 - 3.3 = Silver Covenant and Alliance 7th Legion added with Quests.

4.1 = Rise of the Zandalari - The Silver Covenant takes part.

5.1 - 5.2 = Operation: Shieldwall, Kirin Tor Offensive and Purge of Dalaran etc.

Warlords of Draenor = Not featured.

7.0 = Silver Covenant helps the Hunter Lodge.

7.1 = Suramar Campaign.

7.2 = Silver Covenant helps on the Broken Shore.

7.3 = Veressa, Alleria and other High Elf moments.
7.3.5 = Three Sisters Comic

8.0 = Arathi Highlands Warfront 7th Legion Battlemages,Frostfencer Serphai and Quest giver Yvera Dawnwing added.


Links:

If you would like to view High Elf concepts for an Allied Race, you could visit our Tumblr page:

https://legacyofqt.tumblr.com


You can also read more on the lore of High Elves and arguments for them as an Allied Race here:

https://m.facebook.com/notes/legacy-of-quelthalas/the-alurna-manifest-of-high-elves/1772785739696244/?__tn__=%2As-R


Or, if you would like to support High Elves as an Allied Race you can join our Community Discord:

https://discordapp.com/invite/jsfDcZx


To Conclude, massive thanks to all members of the High Elf discord who had help put this thread together!
This person the OP needs as do all of you. you will never play high/blood elves on alliance only horde that's a fact beg all you want argue all you want make up reasons all you want it will never happen.