The Unofficial High Elf Discussion Megathread

10/04/2018 04:56 AMPosted by Tyierin
10/04/2018 04:38 AMPosted by Fliktarg
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You made that all up. Lor'themar didn't go visit a high elf lodge.


https://wow.gamepedia.com/Quel%27Lithien_Lodge

and honestly if all you can say is "nuh uh lor'themar didn't visit any lodge" then you know you've lost the argument. have a nice day!


Did you even read this article yourself or just go find a lodge that had high elves in it to support your side? Because that lodge fell to wretched and nowhere in there does it mention them feeling "lighter" or anything like that.
10/04/2018 05:09 AMPosted by Ohnata
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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Quel%27Lithien_Lodge

and honestly if all you can say is "nuh uh lor'themar didn't visit any lodge" then you know you've lost the argument. have a nice day!


Did you even read this article yourself or just go find a lodge that had high elves in it to support your side? Because that lodge fell to wretched and nowhere in there does it mention them feeling "lighter" or anything like that.


Much happened in Quel'Thalas in the years that followed, of which the lodge remained unaware. Lor'themar - now the sole leader of Quel'Thalas - made a final journey to the lodge. He informed the exiles of the recent events that had transpired, telling the tale of Kael'thas Sunstrider's downfall and the restoration of the Sunwell. With the Ghostlands in a safer state, the regent offered Renthar and his company regular aid and supplies. However, Renthar was outraged, ourtright refused to accept any aid, and threatened to kill anyone Lor'themar might send bearing it. The regent mourned for the losses the lodge had incurred, but in his heart could not fault the exiles for their anger. He left the lodge feeling only sorrow


You can read the book if you want and try to find the passage. The fact of the matter is, no matter where a Thalassian elf is, they can use the sunwell.
How many times do they have to say no? There are only two potential paths for High Elves.

1. Fire current team and replaced by a sympathetic team.
2. End of the faction war at the end of BfA.

No allied races beyond Nightborne and Void elves cross factions from their 'parent' race. And both are distinctively unique. How are High Elves different from Blood Elves? The ranger culture which remains vibrant within Quel'thalas? Simply put, Void Elves are the closest you'll get.

To give the Alliance High Elves would be like giving Horde a faction of humans.
Maybe high elves would be possible if a 'traitor' feature is added later.


QFT. This game has changed from Orcs vs Humans to Blood Elves/Undead vs Human with a handful of orcs standing around.

The reason Blood Elves are against giving the Alliance High Elves is because there would be almost no Elvish Horde left if they did that.

The future Horde is Blood Elf female! (well arent all Blood elves female anyway?)
That’s not quite right I don’t even play on a roleplay server, and I’m fairly new to all this as you can see I only have 21 posts I’ve never posted in a thread I’ve only read them I simply came to discuss high elves as an allied race and you know what if they never add them then so be it but why is it so bad that we debate and discuss it in a respectful fashion once again I can’t speak for everyone but I certainly haven’t gone and insulted anyone at all and I wouldn’t want anyone to insult anyone can’t we just discuss in a respectful manner?
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Did you even read this article yourself or just go find a lodge that had high elves in it to support your side? Because that lodge fell to wretched and nowhere in there does it mention them feeling "lighter" or anything like that.


Much happened in Quel'Thalas in the years that followed, of which the lodge remained unaware. Lor'themar - now the sole leader of Quel'Thalas - made a final journey to the lodge. He informed the exiles of the recent events that had transpired, telling the tale of Kael'thas Sunstrider's downfall and the restoration of the Sunwell. With the Ghostlands in a safer state, the regent offered Renthar and his company regular aid and supplies. However, Renthar was outraged, ourtright refused to accept any aid, and threatened to kill anyone Lor'themar might send bearing it. The regent mourned for the losses the lodge had incurred, but in his heart could not fault the exiles for their anger. He left the lodge feeling only sorrow


You can read the book if you want and try to find the passage. The fact of the matter is, no matter where a Thalassian elf is, they can use the sunwell.


I'm not going to do your work for you in a discussion. What you quoted does not mention those high elves drawing on the unwell at all. Until you can ACTUALLY prove this statement that all highborne decendants draw off the sunwell no matter where they are or how long they were away from it, your argument basically just fluff to get what you want.
10/04/2018 05:14 AMPosted by Karglug
How many times do they have to say no? There are only two potential paths for High Elves.

1. Fire current team and replaced by a sympathetic team.
2. End of the faction war at the end of BfA.

No allied races beyond Nightborne and Void elves cross factions from their 'parent' race. And both are distinctively unique. How are High Elves different from Blood Elves? The ranger culture which remains vibrant within Quel'thalas? Simply put, Void Elves are the closest you'll get.

To give the Alliance High Elves would be like giving Horde a faction of humans.
Maybe high elves would be possible if a 'traitor' feature is added later.


QFT. This game has changed from Orcs vs Humans to Blood Elves/Undead vs Human with a handful of orcs standing around.

The reason Blood Elves are against giving the Alliance High Elves is because there would be almost no Elvish Horde left if they did that.

The future Horde is Blood Elf female! (well arent all Blood elves female anyway?)


But it’s not the same because people are asking for high elves who are already on the alliance and if there was a faction of Humans to go horde like say the defias brotherhood or giving the horde undead humans like Nathanos then why not if there’s a lore reason (and I’m not saying there is or isn’t so please don’t attack me) then what’s the issue? Faction lines were blurred in 2012 with the introduction of the pandaren and that’s what the red names are for right?
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10/04/2018 05:16 AMPosted by Ohnata
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You can read the book if you want and try to find the passage. The fact of the matter is, no matter where a Thalassian elf is, they can use the sunwell.


I'm not going to do your work for you in a discussion. What you quoted does not mention those high elves drawing on the unwell at all. Until you can ACTUALLY prove this statement that all highborne decendants draw off the sunwell no matter where they are or how long they were away from it, your argument basically just fluff to get what you want.


so if a blood elf hasn’t visited quel’thalas since the scourge destroyed it—by your logic, they can’t use the sunwell?

try to not be so biased in your need for high elves and try to look at things rationally.
10/04/2018 05:14 AMPosted by Karglug
How many times do they have to say no? There are only two potential paths for High Elves.

1. Fire current team and replaced by a sympathetic team.
2. End of the faction war at the end of BfA.

No allied races beyond Nightborne and Void elves cross factions from their 'parent' race. And both are distinctively unique. How are High Elves different from Blood Elves? The ranger culture which remains vibrant within Quel'thalas? Simply put, Void Elves are the closest you'll get.

To give the Alliance High Elves would be like giving Horde a faction of humans.
Maybe high elves would be possible if a 'traitor' feature is added later.


QFT. This game has changed from Orcs vs Humans to Blood Elves/Undead vs Human with a handful of orcs standing around.

The reason Blood Elves are against giving the Alliance High Elves is because there would be almost no Elvish Horde left if they did that.

The future Horde is Blood Elf female! (well arent all Blood elves female anyway?)


if blood elves and undead weren’t added the horde the horde would be a dead faction. you can try to talk trash about any race that isn’t true horde, but the truth is if those races were actually removed from the game, after a week you would be begging for them to come back :)
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epic post
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10/04/2018 05:14 AMPosted by Karglug
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QFT. This game has changed from Orcs vs Humans to Blood Elves/Undead vs Human with a handful of orcs standing around.

The reason Blood Elves are against giving the Alliance High Elves is because there would be almost no Elvish Horde left if they did that.

The future Horde is Blood Elf female! (well arent all Blood elves female anyway?)


if blood elves and undead weren’t added the horde the horde would be a dead faction. you can try to talk trash about any race that isn’t true horde, but the truth is if those races were actually removed from the game, after a week you would be begging for them to come back :)


Can you stop double posting when you can just edit your last post and put it there

Also, undead? What? The majority of Horde players aren't playing Undead
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I'm not going to do your work for you in a discussion. What you quoted does not mention those high elves drawing on the unwell at all. Until you can ACTUALLY prove this statement that all highborne decendants draw off the sunwell no matter where they are or how long they were away from it, your argument basically just fluff to get what you want.


so if a blood elf hasn’t visited quel’thalas since the scourge destroyed it—by your logic, they can’t use the sunwell?

try to not be so biased in your need for high elves and try to look at things rationally.


No, once again you are taking things out of context to fuel your desires. And when did I say I wanted high elves? If anyone is biased it's you and your cherrypicking and obvious bad trolling to try to antagonize others to draw out an emotional response. Blood elves also developed the ability to feed off of others mana because of their addiction to it. High elves don't do this as they lack the addiction. Also, you have yet to prove high elves draw on the sunwell other than you yelling that it's fact.
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if blood elves and undead weren’t added the horde the horde would be a dead faction. you can try to talk trash about any race that isn’t true horde, but the truth is if those races were actually removed from the game, after a week you would be begging for them to come back :)


Can you stop double posting when you can just edit your last post and put it there

Also, undead? What? The majority of Horde players aren't playing Undead


I’ll do what I want thanks and he mentioned undead.
Here to show my support! And please, ignore the antis. They're just here to argue.
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10/04/2018 03:43 AMPosted by Skig
10/04/2018 03:32 AMPosted by Arrowshooter
How many threads do we need about a race that is just blood elves?


That's the entire Allied Race system to this point, man.

Void Elves = Blood Elves
Lightforged Draenei = Draenei
Highmountain Tauren = Tauren
Nightborne = Night Elves
Kul Tiran = Humans
Dark Iron Dwarves = Dwarves
Zandalari = Darkspear Trolls

You may not like it, but it's the reality. Best to accept it.


the reality is this is a panda post
Guys, please ignore the antis. We all know that they'll keep saying the same thing again and again. It's a waste of time to argue with them.
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As for you, I did that on purpose to prove a point. You found my response immature, yes? When I gave you an actual response, you gave me an immature one as well.
You're missing the point.

My comment, petty as it may have been, demonstrated that I found yours to be, prima facie, rather silly. The natural response to that is to explain why it isn't silly. Something I needed you to do, because you'd simply asserted that no-such-thing could be done, ex cathedra. Indeed, if an assertion sounds silly and lacks supporting reasoning, it has little to its name. Thus, one elaborates; tell me why I'm wrong. You can respond with pettiness contemporaneously, if that's inclination -- go nuts.

Just saying that they can't put her in the room is nonsensical. You need to actually explain why this is so important that it would bar implementation of a feature as central as an allied race, and as coveted as this one.

Instead, you nitpicked my typo. My problem wasn't your tone, it was your substance -- I actually made this clear.

You got me though, I had a senior moment and got two letters wrong in a name I'd already used correctly. Please tell me more about how adding an NPC to a room would destroy the fabric of reality.

My error was a small typo. Yours is a fundamental failure of logic. You're proving the content of that very comment to be true, as you desperately scrounge for points in the wording.


it really shows that this is entirely a matter tribe and not all a matter of argument


Indeed, despite multiple people calling this assertion into question, you haven't justified it at all. We are not objecting to the same thing, thus you've proven no point. Lest your point was that mine lacked substance, which I've covered. I didn't think justifying a claim would require this much exposition.

Perhaps I should have simply asked you, that would have been more proper. I'd just assumed that you wouldn't leave a major claim unsubstantiated, unless you thought it didn't warrant that, something I called into question.

Or you could have relinquished the claim as silly. If I could go back and do it over, I would tell you how to argue with me.
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10/04/2018 04:47 AMPosted by Lorithyn
10/04/2018 04:42 AMPosted by Lydinie
Cause these threads were so productive and weren't just people spamming "bump!!" or endless back and forth arguments.


Blizz likes these discussions, at least a blue claims so. They enjoy the fact that allied races can cap threads so quickly, even if it isn't all productive discussion it still shows that many people are interested in the subject


So that's why so many of the threads were deleted even your 'official' one?
10/04/2018 05:39 AMPosted by Tomlyn
As for you, I did that on purpose to prove a point. You found my response immature, yes? When I gave you an actual response, you gave me an immature one as well.
You're missing the point.

My comment, petty as it may have been, demonstrated that I found yours to be, prima facie, rather silly. The natural response to that is to explain why it isn't silly. Something I needed you to do, because you'd simply asserted that no-such-thing could be done, ex cathedra. Indeed, if an assertion sounds silly and lacks supporting reasoning, it has little to its name. Thus, one elaborates; tell me why I'm wrong. You can respond with pettiness contemporaneously, if that's inclination -- go nuts.

Just saying that they can't put her in the room is nonsensical. You need to actually explain why this is so important that it would bar implementation of a feature as central as an allied race, and as coveted as this one.

Instead, you nitpicked my typo. My problem wasn't your tone, it was your substance -- I actually made this clear.

You got me though, I had a senior moment and got two letters wrong in a name I'd already used correctly. Please tell me more about how adding an NPC to a room would destroy the fabric of reality.

My error was a small typo. Yours is a fundamental failure of logic. You're proving the content of that very comment to be true, as you desperately scrounge for points in the wording.


it really shows that this is entirely a matter tribe and not all a matter of argument


Indeed, despite multiple people calling this assertion into question, you haven't justified it at all. We are not objecting to the same thing, thus you've proven no point. Lest your point was that mine lacked substance, which I've covered. I didn't think justifying a claim would require this much exposition.

Perhaps I should have simply asked you, that would have been more proper. I'd just assumed that you wouldn't leave a major claim unsubstantiated, unless you thought it didn't warrant that, something I called into question.

Or you could have relinquished the claim as silly. If I could go back and do it over, I would tell you how to argue with me.

Out of everything I said in a previous post this preist also tried to dispel my point because I forgot to add something like “I can’t speak for everyone” and addresses nothing else I said
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10/04/2018 03:59 AMPosted by Skig
10/04/2018 03:52 AMPosted by Shadina
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...Which means the blood elves "subrace" has already come and gone in the form of void elves. Which means no high elves. Great. Glad we agree.


Wait... where is the rule where you can only get (1) One "subrace"? I must have missed that memo. It would sure suck to not get Forest Trolls just because Zandalari Trolls were added and took the only slot ever available for another Troll race.


That rule is just next to the other rule that an allied race should not look exactly like its source. Change blood elf enough and hop, you have void elf.

Change it enough and call it High Elf and people will complain they aren't high elf. Can never win.
you may not like it, but it's the reality. Best to accept it.


Nope HE's are at this point a terrible meme of disturbed minds.

This kind garbage is directly responsible for many of the divisions we have. Simply saying 'get used to it" It absolutely guaranteed to create push-back

The game does not need HE's. period

It's a stupid idea and the people pushing for it are directly responsible for wanting Blizzard to waste time. BFA has serious problems with itemization, WQs', and content.

But what is at the top of the list of things to do for HE fanatics?

"we lik hi elfs!"
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