The Unofficial High Elf Discussion Megathread

But Dalaran was not a racial capital of the Alliance the way Silvermoon is for the Blood Elves and the Horde.

I think that’s a rather pointless distinction though. A capital city is still a capital city. Arguably Dalaran would make for a racial capital for the High Elves as well, boasting the largest visible population of High Elves within the Alliance, as well as being the home of the Silver Covenant, the Alliance High Elf military.

Pointless in lore, sure, but my bringing it up was more a consideration of Blizzard not wanting to blurr lines between factions.

See this is where I clarified:

The Sunwell is an isolated site on an island. It isn’t “their home” or “city”, that would be Silvermoon.

You’re equating a religious site (the Sunwell) to the entire home of the Thalassian Elves and I don’t believe we’ve seen anything of that sort.

If there’s evidence of this though, I’d agree that there’s a blurring going on.

But currently, seeing as the Alliance Thalassians make their homes in Alliance lands and the Horde Thalassians make their homes in Horde lands - I cannot see where there is blurring occurring here.

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Then I must ask why Alleria requested permission to visit the Sunwell, and Lor’themar granted it, if it wasn’t her place to ask permission and his to grant it?

Unsure how it helps your stance that blurring is going on if permission needs to be requested?

Alleria is also considered a hero by Lor’themar - he says so himself.

Your question doesn’t showcase that High Elves and Blood Elves blurring, if you could explain how maybe I can understand more?

But the Sunwell =/= their home - that is, is there evidence High Elves are back to living in their homes with Blood Elves? I haven’t seen any indication of this.

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The blurring is in the fact that Lor’themar has been shown to value and care for his Alliance kin.

Blizzard has stated they want less faction blur.

Allowing players to create characters of a race that could arguably have access to a Horde capital might be a reason they’re not wanting to add High Elves. They went so far as to give Alliance Thalassian models but highlighted in vivid story why they physically cannot return to Quel’Thalas, not even for religious pilgrimage.

Again, completely speculation but it does make sense.

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To be fair if you did the Quel’delar Questline on a character other than a Blood Elf, the minute the sword knocks Lor’themar back the Guards immediately surround Auric, the High Elf Representative, as if it were his fault.

I don’t think the fact that Pilgrimages were allowed is any indication that the Blood/High Elves were putting aside old differences. If anything it highlighted the divide further.

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The short story, ‘Shadow of the Sun,’ more or less clarifies Lor’themar’s, “value and care,” for the High Elves comes almost entirely from guilt. If he had any actual interest in reunifying Quel’Thalas, he’d leave the Horde.

Of course that’s outright impossible due to gameplay.

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I don’t think it dampens the point I’m trying to make.

I’m not suggesting the they’re on trustworthy terms. Lor’themar still banished Alleria because he had to.

He wouldn’t have had to do that if she hadn’t become a void elf. Something to consider.

He banished the High Elves, however, and they remain exiles to this day. When the Silver Covenant come to Zul’Aman in 4.1 to aid the Blood Elves fighting against the Amani, a messenger from Lor’themar demands to know why there is an Exile in Quel’Thalas.

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Yeah. But in a statement during the time that they gave Alliance a Quel’dorei variant race and the Horde a Kal’dorei variant race.

If you do the Blood Elf heritage questline you find out why he hasn’t. Sylvanas leads them and gave her life so that they might survive, he has loyalty to her.

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So he values Sylvanas more than he values all of the High Elves.

You still seem to be suggesting that either the Blood Elves become neutral or that the High Elves join the Blood Elves.

Which is a recipe to make everyone angry. (Well, I imagine Horde players would be happy with High Elves joining Blood Elves. That’s schadenfreude for you.)

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I’m sure it’s a tough decision, and it’s part of his character. Call it a character flaw, if you like, but that seems to be the gist of it.

They’re a vengeful people.

I’m not suggesting that at all. I’m suggesting we don’t add High Elves but we’ve gone off another topic it seems.

I just think that you might be over-estimating Lor’themar’s good will towards the High Elves is all. Personally I’ve never considered Lor’themar to be a very good leader. It’s a shame Kael’thas went the villain route. Lor’themar would’ve made for a far more interesting Military Leader of Quel’Thalas’ forces, as was shown on the Isle of Thunder.

She was willing to lay her life down (and did) for her people, but those exiled are those that would not stand with their people.

I’m willing to bet he’d allow any high elf back (which has happened) considering they are his own people, just those that chose to not be with their own and chose the Alliance (for the most part,) over them.

Why wouldn’t they exile those that were a part of a hostile faction? Do you really think he wouldn’t take any of them back were they not part of a faction they were separate of or at the very least neutral?

He gave them a choice, be with their people or be apart and he still gives them access to the Sunwell which shows a hell of a big risk he’s willing to take because he takes it THAT seriously of how important it is to all his people regardless if they’re aligned with the Horde.

Interesting that Sylvanas, who should see militarily how this could be exploited doesn’t even say anything about it, showing how much she still thinks of it’s importance.

Lor’themar values his people, ALL of his people. He just doesn’t value the Alliance. Which makes sense considering their history.

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Or as is the case with the Quel’Lithien High Elves, those that would stand with their people but were exiled anyways. Even the Silver Covenant comes to aid Quel’Thalas upon request in 4.1. The only reason we don’t see High Elves standing with Blood Elves is because the Blood Elves exiled them and joined the Horde, in that order.

Source?

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