The Unofficial High Elf Discussion Megathread

Drede-cairne · January 8, 2019, 10:43pm

So again, I ask.

Why would they only swap the names if they did not intend to keep the same theme? And why update them at all unless it was at least somewhat important?

Bourbonboxer-lightbringer · January 8, 2019, 10:45pm

Why would they remove the interaction?
Because Kael’thas was no longer their leader.

Drede-cairne · January 8, 2019, 10:49pm

Who knows.

But that still doesn’t explain why they would not change it to something like don’t litter or don’t steal sweet rolls.

They wanted to keep the same themes of civil unrest and political tension. Even after Kael’thas was disposed.

Otherwise they would have changed it to something else.

Bourbonboxer-lightbringer · January 8, 2019, 10:52pm

I can tell you. Because the zone’s untouched since TBC. Why would they be censoring them not joining the Horde, years after they have joined?

Why would they be censoring them in Mists, when Lorthemar was actively looking to leave the Alliance before Purge?

IT MAKES NO SENSE, unless they havent touched the zone.

Or you know, they just havent touched it since TBC…which seems more plausible?

Drede-cairne · January 8, 2019, 10:54pm

Pretty sure the robots text was changed in Cataclysm.

They also added guard text for Class Trainers and the like.

Alamara-goldrinn · January 8, 2019, 10:57pm

We do know the political system didn’t change, thought.

You are saying I can’t use something that was canon because there’s no canon to confirm canon. That’s not how it works. Something is canon until newer canon changes it.

And we did have a few glimpses of how things were after the Sunwell’s reignition, like the Lor’themar short story which pretty much confirms him as a dictator and very aware of the awful things he’s done. He tries to attone for them, but the past is not being forgiven. By the end, he reassures himself he did what was needed, and that’s it.

Bourbonboxer-lightbringer · January 8, 2019, 10:57pm

Wrong.

Patch 2.4.0(2008-03-25): Speech change.

Prior to this patch, the guardians stated “Remain strong. Kael’thas will lead you to power and glory!” This change represents the defection of the Blood Knights, and much of Silvermoon, from Kael’thas.

Bourbonboxer-lightbringer · January 8, 2019, 11:00pm

Do we? Im pretty sure the Blood Knights are now part of the hierarchy again.

So Draenai still falling out from the sky confirmed.

Drede-cairne · January 8, 2019, 11:01pm

I stand corrected. But still. When they changed the text all the did was swap names instead of making it neutral like their other quotes.

That shows that things did not change after Keal was killed and there is more supporting things stayed the same since there is literally nothing that said it changed.

Alamara-goldrinn · January 8, 2019, 11:02pm

I don’t even know what you are talking about.
The Exodar fell once, you know. And its status was updated in the Velen short story.

There’s also the Cataclysm updated intro for the races, you know?

Bourbonboxer-lightbringer · January 8, 2019, 11:02pm

No it just means that Blizzard didnt touch Silvermoon outside of level adjustments since TBC.

Bourbonboxer-lightbringer · January 8, 2019, 11:03pm

Dranaei PCs still have to deal with waking up characters from the wreck, adjusting to the land, gathering materials from the wreck 10 years later.

It shows they have no changed these zones since inception.

Alamara-goldrinn · January 8, 2019, 11:05pm

Wow, I’m not talking about the zone being static. I’m talking about the political system. It hasn’t changed, there’s no lore changing it.

The minor details and new problems in the zones are whoever’s guess.

Bourbonboxer-lightbringer · January 8, 2019, 11:07pm

Yet, you use the one interaction of something that has been statically in the game and unchanged since 2.0.3 as one of your core basis.

Sure you arent talking about, but you are using it to fuel your point.

Drede-cairne · January 8, 2019, 11:08pm

So the last state we see is it is a Totalitarian State and nothing says it changed from that with new info showing it likely stayed the same.

Literally my starting argument.

Alamara-goldrinn · January 8, 2019, 11:09pm

No, you are just too stubborn to get the point.

Bourbonboxer-lightbringer · January 8, 2019, 11:09pm

So the last state we see the Draenai in their starting zone is waking up from their crash onto Azeroth.

Literally my counterpoint.

Lenaryia-wyrmrest-accord · January 8, 2019, 11:09pm

Dropping by to show my support

Hopefully we get Quel’dorei some day!

Bourbonboxer-lightbringer · January 8, 2019, 11:11pm

No, you just are using an outdated interaction from 10 years ago. You’ve been shown proof that it hasnt been touched since mid-TBC.

Then when you get counter-pointed with the Draenai starting zone, you pull a “I have no memory of this” and push it away.

You’re being dishonest.

Alamara-goldrinn · January 8, 2019, 11:15pm

I’m not talking about the same events being repeated ad eternum. I’m talking about the political system. The same rulers back then are the ones right now. The system didn’t change, the rulers didn’t change.

Lor’themar is a dictator. Period. There’s no arguing or denying that.
Lor’themar exiled and censored his people. If he’s not doing it now doesn’t change that he did.
The political system didn’t change. THere’s no new lore to change that.

You have nothing to present that changes those three claims. You have absolutely no canon to back up what you are defending.