The solution to the H+ problem is.... more H++?

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Gravytrains-ashkandi

yes, they are fun in the beginning but get really hard bc a lot of fresh 80s WITH 2.6K players are try ing to do H+

Eh? Not on my server H+ was just a bunch of people in mostly BiS T7 anyways who were annoyed they were there for the extra badges.

[Backseat-pagle]

@Gravytrains-ashkandi

yes, they are fun in the beginning but get really hard bc a lot of fresh 80s WITH 2.6K players are trying to do H+

Have you seen the new H++ affixes? This is ridiculous. Many of these affixes are harder than most regular Uld/Naxx bosses.

I am still waiting to see where and when the playerbase rose up and said “give us mythic+ in classic!!”

Yeah, never happened. Can we get the retail team off of classic please?

Let’s be honest, we’re all here for ICC then we are out. I was somewhat interested in a Cata Classic but now…nope.

[Heavywood-grobbulus]

@Garro-eranikus

If it wasn’t structured well, why was the expansion the most popular?

Because of the mass marketing campaign Blizzard Activision went on during WOTLK. Ozzy/Mr.T/etc did more for WOTLK than the content itself imo.

@Garro-eranikus

Why try to fix what isn’t broken? It simply makes no sense.

Many people felt, for a long time, that WOTLK heroics were a joke. Especially compared to TBC and CATA.

@Garro-eranikus

All this is going to do is force more people to run H++ for emblems to get the gear for raiding current phase raids.

More activity is good. The game is on life support with 75% of the player base raid logging and playing retail/Era as their main.

@Garro-eranikus

Personally, I’m letting my sub run out and going back to FF14

OOF. Yea FFXIV isnt the answer if youre already upset about WOTLKC content lmao.

@Gingamok-bloodsail-buccaneers

I really hope they can allow an option in the grouping tool to separate all of these difficulties out into their own sections

Should of been done months ago.

@Garro-eranikus

The problem is moving 10m loot into a 5m dungeon. It doesn’t promote people to do older raids to help people gear.

Yes it does; because the Sidereal essence costs are redic, so if youre playing WOTLKC as a main you will be raiding ulduar every week as well as ToGC.

@Backseat-pagle

Have you seen the new H++ affixes? This is ridiculous. Many of these affixes are harder than most regular Uld/Naxx bosses.

The affixes are pretty simple for a modern MMORPG gamer. Its just classic andys cant even deal with simple mechanics like stacking for webs and breaking them.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Heavywood-grobbulus

@Garro-eranikus

All this is going to do is force more people to run H++ for emblems to get the gear for raiding current phase raids.

More activity is good. The game is on life support with 75% of the player base raid logging and playing retail/Era as their main.

Right and adding junk like H+ and H++ encourages raid logging because it makes non raid content suck.

[Heavywood-grobbulus]

@Ziryus-pagle

because it makes non raid content suck.

Because there isnt any other content anyway if H+ wasnt there so stop crying that Blizzard is tryna fix this wack expansion with no content outside raid logging and be happy you perpetually upset village idiot.

[Ziryus-pagle]

Lack of RDF makes playing alts suck because it’s a solo experience and H+ actively makes trying to run regular heroics on a fresh 80 harder and unlike M+ in retail add almost nothing for people already raiding.

The classic devs are just bad.

[Heavywood-grobbulus]

@Ziryus-pagle

H+ actively makes trying to run regular heroics on a fresh 80 harder

Because its easier to do a Nax 10 msos at 3k gs on a fresh 80 than it is to do regular heroics and you gear much faster as well. Than you can go into H+ and get to 4.2k+ than find Ulduar groups.

@Ziryus-pagle

M+ in retail add almost nothing for people already raiding

So what are we talking about fresh 80s or our mains. What are you actually mad about?

More content=Good.

[Ziryus-pagle]

H+ drops worse gear than T7 raids so as far as gearing it’s a complete dud. The only reason people run it is for the extra 3 badges. And it’s not more content the people running it would be running the daily heroic anyways.

[Heavywood-grobbulus]

@Ziryus-pagle

H+ drops worse gear than T7 raids as far as gearing it’s a complete dud.

Were literally having a conversation about it getting upgraded rn to uld 10 man. You get 1 p1 WT lockout a week after that you go in H+ and focus on pieces youre still missing to get into Ulduar. Its not a complicated system at all. It just allows easier gearing for alts.

[Kelliste-antonidas (Kelliste)]

@Backseat-pagle

Agreed. Their changes to Wotlk classic have been very, very retail.

Again, does anyone, anywhere, enjoy H+ AN? Is that “fun”?

The way to stop this stuff is stop doing it. They just look at spreadsheets. If they see people doing something then they automatically think they must like it because they are doing it even though its just forced.

LFR seen high engagement, not because people like it but because it dropped tier set items and they did it to get the tier set bonus asap.

They could put emblems in dailies. Like 5 of the previous tier emblem per daily and people would flood them. It doesnt mean its a good idea or that people like it but look everyone I fixed daily quest engagement so its a success!

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Heavywood-grobbulus

@Ziryus-pagle

H+ drops worse gear than T7 raids as far as gearing it’s a complete dud.

Were literally having a conversation about it getting upgraded rn to uld 10 man. You get 1 p1 WT lockout a week after that you go in H+ and focus on pieces youre still missing to get into Ulduar. Its not a complicated system at all. It just allows easier gearing for alts.

And at the same time Ulduar is getting a nerf and Ulduar 10 man will start dropping Ulduar 25 gear. Putting H++ in just as stupid a spot as H+ is now.

[Heavywood-grobbulus]

So just don’t play the game and unsub? You’ve been paying 6 months of sub fees to complain about the game constantly

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Heavywood-grobbulus

So just do n’t play the game and unsub?

Glad you agree H+ and H++ are stupid and bad additions.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Kelliste-antonidas

LFR seen high engagement, not because people like it but because it dropped tier set items and they did it to get the tier set bonus asap.

LFR as a concept was fine, but it didn’t actually address the problems that caused it to be added. Flex raiding did but that wasn’t added till end of MoP.

[Kelliste-antonidas (Kelliste)]

It allowed people to see the content since so few people actually seen it without having to stick to a schedule. WoW is a gear driven game through and through, so they made an incentive for people to run it and that changed what LFR was actually trying to do.

[Ziryus-pagle]

It was trying to fill the void caused by merging 10/25 mans. And it didn’t really do a good job of that because it was so watered down.

[Aedilhild-pagle]

Early Cataclysm (4.0-4.2) killed off mom & pop raid pugging, and LFR co-opted it like public transportation.

It’s an interesting contrast with dungeon content. Through ease and RDF, Wrath confirmed that players didn’t mind if 5-mans were highly consumable instead of gated timesinks like Vanilla and BC.

[Tesalyn-pagle]

My issue with Heroic++ is that it just killed the entire T7 content.

[Heavywood-grobbulus]

@Tesalyn-pagle

Heroic++ is that it just killed the entire T7 content.

Huh? Nobodies gonna go from fresh 80 to H++. The smartest approach would be P1 world tour so you can get to 4-4.4k gs than look at H++ for Uld10 gear

[Ziryus-pagle]

No the smartest approach is to just do some ulduar GDKP’s as a fresh 80 and get ulduar 25 gear.