It’s being worked by Tirisfal Farmers while Scarlet Warriors patrol it’s perimeter. Not sure how else to interpret that.
The main question for me is if this is deliberate. Because the new Tirisfal phase has a bunch of relocated NPCs from Brill, the Undercity and Horde Darkshore scattered all over the place.
So I think they might’ve just accidentally moved those NPCs to the wrong farm. I wouldn’t put it past Blizz. I’ve certainly seen worse oversights.
There is like a handful of scarlet warriors near the farm. You’re simply reading into something that’s not there. It’s not some defensive action taken by the scarlets. It’s just a bunch of randomly placed NPCs
The Salliden Farmhands and Scarlets have always been in cahoots though. So it’s not like seeing them together is random. If they were Vilefin murlocs on the farm then yeah I’d agree but that’s not the case. I also don’t think it’d be weird for the remaining Scarlets to seize a farm while the Forsaken weren’t home.
Again though it’s more than possible they just moved those NPCs to the wrong spot.
Until blizz decides to explain the scarlet presence, if they ever do, it’s all pure headcannon. Long as you understand that.
As already said, it’s likely they just shuffled a few NPCs around.
I did notice this forum has a problem with arguing their headcannon as fact and than getting angry or irritated when people don’t agree.
I don’t know, or if you are aware of this, but after 9.2.5 Tirisfal is spliced. It’s a phasing issue around Coldhearth Manner. it seems like instead of redoing all of Tirisfal they just phased a new map on top of the old map. You can see the phasing in the lamps around Coldhearth Manner. The presence of a Scarlet Patrol is left over from Cata. as of Legion there is no longer Scarlet Crusaders in the area, canonically the organization was wiped out. This is a matter of getting confused by phasing new zones on top of the old zone map, and not actually revamping the whole area. The Salliden farm is still the same as it was in vanilla.
That’s the thing though. There were never Tirisfal Farmers or Scarlet Warriors at Coldhearth Manor.
That was filled with zombies whom you killed for their putrid claws. The tailoring trainer and a trade goods merchant were also located in the house near the farm. They’ve since relocated to Brill proper.
The farmers and warriors are in Salliden’s Farmstead and the Scarlet Palisade. Which is area on the western edge of the map.
The Crusade is defunct, it’s been wiped out. I don’t know how many people have to tell you this before you understand. Whatever is left is the result of zones still being stuck back in the Cataclysm era, the last time the old world was updated was in Cata.
Merely a setback.
Why is it so important to you that the Crusade comes back?
Have you read the rest of the thread? They’re a well recognized and lauded enemy who had well based reasoning and story behind their existence which can bring back a sense of Warcrafts adventurous nature.
Fruther, as Bene has put forward, they a perfect Horde and Alliance villian in Spookyville - Tirisfal and Gilneas - as they hate Forsaken and Worgen nearly the same.
We already have that threat, in the Scarlet Brotherhood.
The Crusade doesn’t need to be restored to it’s former glory to be a threat to the Forsaken and the Worgen. I don’t agree they would be good villians, they have been done to death already. we fought them in vanilla, they resurfaced in Cata. then again in Legion. We have already run the Gauntlet with this story, there’s no more story left to tell, except for this little Scarlet Brotherhood story in the pamphlets, but it’s a C plot story max, it will be the subplot of a zone or two.
The Scarlet Crusade is not coming back, sorry to burst your bubble, but that’s just the truth.
You really must be fun at parties.
Like many threads in this forum it was a, good, prompt as to how the Scarlet Crusade or any successor could reappear. People look back to previous organizations and people because they had compelling stories, especially when we’re looking back at old world updates. What has any one organization or people been up to since Cata? The Scarlets are often mentioned, as are the Defias and Grimtotem because of the story and effort previously put into them.
Who is or isn’t coming back ultimately isnt up to any of us. Its up to Blizzard who, reportedly, do follow these forums to a degree and hopefully see merit in Bene’s promt. So unless you’re a secret blizzard employee or fed, and you gotta legally tell us if you’re a fed, your word here is as useless as ours.
Just because a handful of people agree with Ben, doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. Lots of people on this forum like horrible ideas. There’s just as many people who agree that the Crusade is over done and wasn’t that interesting to begin with.
The whole Religious Zealot trope has been done to death and it’s not nearly as interesting as some people think it is
If you didn’t like them that’s your opinion.
But no having a small role in 3 out’ve 9 expansions is not being ‘overdone’. The Scarlet Monastery ranks highly as one of the best dungeons of all time on player polls. They’re a ready made villain for the Worgen and Forsaken to fight together.
Just because a handful of people don’t like them doesn’t mean they’re not broadly remembered fondly as a villain organization.
Relative to a lot of things which potentially are more important, the Scarlets are overexposed, but I think you could very credibly argue that WoW post-Vanilla has never given enough exposure to things which are potentially important in favor of the single most immediately accessible high-danger threat. There are other things I would like to come back as well for various reasons. At a fundamental level, I think WoW needs to move on past “new thing, bored now” storytelling (at least as much as it uses it, some is necessary) because it’s clearly become unsustainable.
None of us are devs and I think people have made valid arguments for their preferences; I am not sure any of us can hope to make a conclusive argument that will persuade anyone this deep in the thread.
Not everyone needs to be in agreement in this of course, but the argument has come down to ‘the trope is boring, next’ with no real follow up or alternative. I think PvE is absolutely mind numbing but dont see me going into raid threads saying “25 person raid content has been done to death” The thread itself has been well received with but a few outspoken critics that have not, imo, made substantial counter arguments.
What do we place in Silverpine? If it is not the Scarlets like Bene is suggesting do we want to kill some more Kirin Tor or Dalaran mages? Would we like more faction conflict? More traitorous Forsaken or feral worgen? Something seemingly out of the blue? What is the narrative direction of Hillsbrad? How do they connect to the past 10 years of narrative development? These are the questions prompts like this look to answer given that the narrative team at Blizzard has not given the opportunity to do so.
And they’re a organization that’s been decimated the two times they were actually relevant. They should remain irrelevant going forward.
I rather blizz do something NEW instead of dragging old things back from the grave just because their entire team is creatively defunct and devoid of any good ideas.
And by new things, I mean stuff like Dragonflight, which actually looks like it’s going to be super fun
I guess my point, how many times do we need to keep dragging the Crusade out of the grave before blizz buries them for good, like they did Arthas?
There are just certain things that need to go to the wayside permanently in my opinion. We decimated them twice, what’s decimating them a third time going to do?
Oh, look, the crusade is back. Time to wipe them out to the last man AGAIN, before they mysteriously show up for the fourth time just so we can do it all over again is not fun
IC, I think there’s a pretty strong argument for the fact that the Scarlets cannot be eradicated under the current geopolitical structure of the world. As evidence: the fact that they survived, in some form, three “you defeated them all, they’re done forever” to go onto a fourth in Legion. It’s like how in comics some things that became part of a character began as quirks of publishing or coincidence.
OOC? Probably an argument best solved with a focus group.
I guess my point, you look at expansions like Pandaria and it shows that blizz is perfectly capable of coming up with new and interesting villians to entertain us.
I’m just personally tired of the crazy religious zealots we have to wipe out every few years. It’s not fun, it’s not cool and it’s sure as hell isn’t interesting as some people think
Was the Monastery a fun dungeon? Sure, doesn’t make the Crusade a interesting organization we have to beat on for a third time