The Scarlet Crusade: ITS SO OVER versus WE'RE SO BACK

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/moo :cow:

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Maybe not Capital city(for now) but we know the Alliance has its foothold back in the Eastern Kingdoms again with Southshore being Alliance territory again. The issue of Lordeaeron is a “we can deal with it later” thing as far as I am concerned.

For now I am just glad both Worgens and night elves have a home again!

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So you just don’t know lore. Gotcha

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Spoiler from 2008: “Admiral Barean Westwind is Mal’ganis.”

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No, the boring human supremacists will never be an important faction.

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We’re undead, beardling.

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That doesn’t make their claim on the land false. The vast majority of them are still from Lordaeron. It’s always been their home. It doesn’t stop being their home because they had a change in health status. When Calia came back on the scene she saw them as the same people from her kingdom. And she’s not on the throne because she doesn’t want that, nor do the forsaken, and frankly nor do the players.

Let’s hope not. The forsaken were setting themselves up in the city proper at the end of the heritage quest. So hopefully it gets rebuilt in an update.

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Considering they took it over with plauge in the first place when there were living people who could have lived there, sure it does. They crawled into the sewers for a reason.

But since no one cares anymore… literally no one cares.

I don’t know why GD has to make a big deal out of this.

It’s not getting rebuilt. Nelfs don’t get a new livable tree, Forsaken don’t get a new livable city. It’s just storyline to shut people up.

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True enough but the undead have claim to what’s theirs . Lordaeron has never and will never be a vassal state of stormwind which is what you guys want. It belongs to the people living there. Or residing there. Whatever semantics undead are sentient beings who had no decision making power over their current circumstances and if they wanna live in broken down farms and such well fine. Those are their farms anyway.

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I agree, the Scarlet Crusade are the heirs of Lordaeron.

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Even as an Alliance player who really dislikes the Forsaken for being undead, I would rather the Forsaken finish off every last deranged moron in the Scarlet Crusade than for the Crusade to take over Lordaeron. The Argent Crusade is doing good work cleaning up the Plaguelands, and I’d rather they do that while being neutral to the Forsaken than having to fight the Scarlets. Someday, the last of the Forsaken will rot and wither away, but that’s not going to be caused by the Scarlet Crusade having accomplished anything other than mass murder.

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after the forsaken
who will they attack next the worgen or the void elves?

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Probably the worgen. The Scarlet Crusade is probably unaware of void elves existing, and we are ensconced in the Telogrus Rift and Stormwind.

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I will just butt in and say that telling people the Forsaken have no claim to Lordaeron is like telling a Worgen they have no claim or right to live in Gilneas.

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That was the scourge, not the forsaken. They killed everyone and took it over, leaving the dreadlords to watch over it. Sylvanas then led the freed undead to overthrow the dreadlords and reclaim it.

Not in the tree, but they are around it.

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Forsaken have their own plague.

That is never going to be something we will see as a functioning real city like we had before. That is and always has been my point.

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Woke up and realized we’re going to be fighting to save Gilneas from the citizens of Lordaeron on behalf of its most cursed denizens with aid from the Forsaken and understood how lost the plot is.

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Scarlet crusade were cannonfodder in vanilla and since on. They were taken over and turned into the risen. And they tried to resurrect the headless horsemen recently (10.1.7 new questline), but he died like a pushover even with the curses. Enjoy your classic+ raid you’ll get whenever if you want more lore from them.

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All this talk of who has the rightful “claim” to Lordaeron is kinda pointless. In the end, the Forsaken took it by conquest and that’s what really matters. As big of a jerk Garithos was (and Sylvanas had no clue what he had done to Kael’thas or anyone else, so had no idea he “deserved” what he got), he and his living army retook Lordaeron with the help of Sylvanas, with the agreement that Sylvanas and her forces would leave. Sylvanas broke that agreement and killed Garithos, much of his army, and drove off many other living still around in Lordaeron. It was conquest, so conquest gave her the “claim” to the place.

Slight spoilers about the Forsaken Heritage questline

As far as the Scarlet Crusade goes, if you do the Forsaken heritage questline, you fight against the Scarlet Crusade who are coming in from the south in Silverpine towards the ruins of Lordaeron. With Gilneas being relatively empty, them moving in to take advantage of that wouldn’t be beyond reason.

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Right of Conquest aside, there’s understandable frustration that the crusade is losing all sense of nuance to become a very black and white villain As the writing progresses and it is become very clear that we are just the very good feel good punching bag for the forsaken to genocide with impunity.

It feels like the earlier romanticism of reclaiming Lordaeron is being scrubbed at all levels to maintain the droll evil church stereotype.