Coming from ICC raids we dont really take pure buyers cuz who would of thunk it that good players also have gold?
Shocker i know.
Why settle for johnny the swiper who is dead every boss when you can have a giga chad like me who has gold and can pump?
Hosts are incentivized directly with bigger pots to look out for gold buyers to fill their raids with. Let’s not pretend hosts take the guy with 500 gold over the guy with 50000 gold to bid on items with please.
That didn’t answer my question.
Okay.
Hope this helps.
It’s fine I know the extent of your knowledge of GDKP’s is just a youtube click bait video and you have no actual idea what you’re talking about 
Haven’t been able to take pure buyers since t6 or wrath naxx. So much loot wasted.
My experience dealing with the necessity of GDKPs to afford anything in a hyper inflated Era (vanilla) server is way more relevant to Season of Discovery (vanilla) than WotLK takes.
Eh, SOD is a year long experiment.
Era is dead and the bots left.
SOD will have bots thru its whole existence
As regards GDKP’s, there’s multiple arguments to be made against them. Personally, I do not see GDKP’s as the reason why I can’t get a group, and I currently have a lot of gold by the standards of non whales.
I am probably the beneficiary of GDKP’s as I sell so much to the people that raid in them. But, It must be said - GDKP’s do make people buy gold. I’ve heard of GDKP’s where they dont even bother to use gold and just pay the real money straight to the leader - it’s that much of a pipeline. The gold sellers just run the GDKP’s. There’s multiple notorious names on my old server that were never banned despite hundreds of people reporting them.
I already know multiple people who bought gold anticipating GDKP’s in later SoD phases. And being someone who actively profits from these people I can promise you that it does cause gold inflation out the wazoo. I can reset markets for consumes to 5x the price and they will buy. There’s nothing about this that should be taking place, and while I don’t think GDKP’s should be banned outright I do think they need to start adding rules to make them a LOT less appealing.
Some suggestions would be that if they aren’t going to be banned there should be rules. Gold spending cap stays low, limits on gold per raid etc so that it isn’t purely pay to win. In its current incarnation it is pay to win and needs to stop.
I wasn’t aware that how much gold someone had could change drop rates, boss mechanics, or lockouts.
How much gold do I need to get a second lockout per period? Or guarantee my item drops? Or prevent me from dying in fire?
Pay 2 win doesnt exist in wow yall really need to stop watering down the definiton so it doesnt literally mean every mmo
They’ve never played a SEA mmo or a pserver. They have no idea lol
Pay 2 win means pay for an advantage. Paying gold to get every single raid drop is a known way to gear faster than running conventional groups. There have been guilds which told people they needed 6 figure salaries to join so they could buy enough gold to get full BIS asap. That’s the definition of pay 2 win.
“Guilds” no, I’ll give you some benefit that sure that probably happened once. But you’re pulling me leg if ya think anyones gonna believe you when you say multiple or use it as the basis for your argument.
As long as the token is not in the game, wow is not p2w. People will always use back channels.
Nobody made this argument. I am pointing out that it gives an advantage for payment over other systems which are chance based. Given that virtually every single GDKP buyer buys gold at insane rates, with extremely few exceptions (and those that are exceptions do gdkp’s for long enough and just don’t buy so still have RMT money) that’s the definition of it. It’s pay for an advantage, which is what GDKP has turned into.
No paying 2 win is paying for items you can only get by paying real money for.
You are literally making that argument when you claim GDKP or any of the RMT in WoW i pay to win.
The two main hurdles to getting the gear you want and clearing a raid are, being able to you know kill the bosses, and once you do actually having a the item you want drop(a factor of drop rates and how many times you can attempt it)
How much gold you have does not impact any of that beyond a very finite and easily acquirable amount without RMT. Hence no P2W
You’ve decided to use a narrow definition of pay 2 win, somewhat ignoring your own results.
Pay 2 win means pay 2 win. It means paying for an advantage. That’s its literal definition. You can only really stretch it to say that gold is earnable ingame therefore it isn’t always exactly pay 2 win, but that completely ignores that gold is buyable with real money and that you can outbid people who earned it ingame to win. That’s pay 2 win.
Then every game with tradeable loot is p2w by your definition yea? Just wanna be clear here.
But the impact on the game for people doing this is pretty minimal. GDKPs are most efficient for raids already on farm so it doesn’t affect progression all that much. Furthermore, wow isn’t a competitive game.
All GDKPs really do is make gold not very meaningful. I can understand why this bothers people, but at the same time you can still have fun raiding with your guild and doing pvp without participating in GDKPS at all.