The Ranged Attack Power buff is a change, not a bugfix

[Leialoha-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Haseo-westfall

For the third time

Okay dude. Be sure to feed your pet.

[Bozho-frostmourne]

@Gougêous-proudmoore

It’s like 70 dps increase, it’s already been simmed.

That’s more than Trueshot aura. An end point talent.

[Leialoha-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Bozho-frostmourne

That’s more than Trueshot aura. An end point talent

70 dps personal increase; trueshot benefits pet and party.

[Bozho-frostmourne]

2/3 of TS then.

[Archdruid-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Classic is finally starting to favor a remaster. Should’ve been this from the start; the #NoChanges crowd is dead or dying and good riddance.

[Bozho-frostmourne]

The meta won’t even be affected by such a change.

[Sillac-benediction]

The only reason they’re fixing it this late in the game is that it’s the easiest way to fix the shammy/pally tier set. They phrase it like they “went back and changed other stuff too”, but really they changed one effect and it happened to impact other buffs that use it.

[Purge-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Great! Now, when can we curtail the ridiculously overtuned scaling dual-wielding? It’s pretty obvious it was an oversight, given how it was one of the first things fixed going into BC, as were a lot of things that would’ve been fixed in vanilla but were shifted into BC.

Y’all see the problem with this now? I’d prefer a sort of “classic+” to TBC, where these oversights and such were fixed to where specs and classes actually perform as intended, but now ain’t the time to do it.

Best time to do it would be post phase 6 as a way to inject life back into the game; the best part about something new is that hindsight isn’t on our side. We can’t over-optimize right from the start, which is a big contributor to why I imagine TBC wouldn’t really be any “better” than classic.

[Dìnodove-old-blanchy]

All hail the meta.

[Xavus-herod]

So if I’m understanding this correctly hunters will go from semi-trash tier to top dps ahead of rogues and warriors?

[Víle-skeram]

Bye Felicia.

[Bonerover-stormreaver]

@Glaive-kirtonos

The buff was not effecting hunters correctly, and they’re fixing that?

“Warts and all.”

@Leialoha-bloodsail-buccaneers

Not really. Try it - there is an unfixed bug from Vanilla that you’ll argue should stay in the game.

Blizzard argued this. They also make the decisions. They’re just being unaccountable to their word.

[Nogs-skeram]

I’m fine with this change if they also give me windfury. I already have enough trouble topping the charts, don’t need another class pushing me further down D:

[Hagrim-deviate-delight]

@Haseo-westfall

@Hagrim-deviate-delight

The problem with Haseo’s entire argument is that it rests on Classic being Vanilla-like when it is nowhere near Vanilla at all.

Classic is vanilla-like. The games and systems are a very good representation of the gameplay experience that was offered in 2005. To what degree that it is true depends on the person. You, however, believe it’s non-vanilla-like because you either a) never played vanilla in the first place, or b) base your entire argument on the playerbase being of a vastly different mindset. Both of which are probably true.

The game in-and-of itself is, or was, a near perfect reproduction.

@Humborger-herod

have you thought about that?

Yes, I have. I came to the conclusion that you’re wrong but I did entertain the argument.

I cannot think of when there was a point in WoW’s history (until recently) that there was widespread boosting services for leveling, sharding, mega servers four times as large as traditional classic servers, or a meta driven by speedrunning the same raids over and over. Even the “model” which we have for WoW classic is simply backported on top of a modern client. So i don’t think WoW Classic is a “perfect reproduction” of vanilla, in structure or in essence, especially given the number of bugs that had to be fixed out of the gate.

And whatever you believe about me or my thoughts is irrelevant to the argument. We have testimonies from other vanilla players, videos, guides etc. to the point where we can create a rough idea on what Vanilla was actually like, and can compare it to what Classic is like now.

(And yes, I did not start in Vanilla but rather early TBC, although early TBC was much closer to Vanilla than it is to modern WoW. My original impetus to play Classic is driven mostly by the memories I gained playing TBC.)

[Haseo-westfall]

@Hagrim-deviate-delight

I cannot think of when there was a point in WoW’s history (until recently) that there was widespread boosting services for leveling, mega servers four times as large as traditional classic servers, or a meta driven by speedrunning the same raids over and over.

This is all covered in part B of my previous response.

@Bonerover-stormreaver

They’re just being unaccountable to their word.

I’m trying to do just that. All the original support seems to have left and the only ones here are those that either do not care or will swallow anything Blizzard gives them. It’s sad, honestly.

@Víle-skeram

Bye Felicia

Stop stalking me, mage I forgot the name of.

[Shifteh-thunderfury]

@Haseo-westfall

@Leialoha-bloodsail-buccaneers

Go do it.

I did do it.

@Shifteh-thunderfury

Hunters don’t play anything like vanilla. FD/Trap isn’t right still.

FD/Trap is how they have it on the reference client. That’s better than pserver knowledge. I’m able to FD/Trap just fine - I have no idea what your problem is.

My problem is that it isnt like it was. Back in vanilla FD instantly dropped aggro. Now we have a half second to second delay due to the fowled up spell batching and I as a melee can target your pet and stop you from trapping a majority of the time.

[Shifteh-thunderfury]

@Xavus-herod

So if I’m understanding this correctly hunters will go from semi-trash tier to top dps ahead of rogues and warriors?

No, lol. Hunters will still be dookie tier in pve and pvp.

[Haseo-westfall]

@Shifteh-thunderfury

I as a melee can target your pet and stop you from trapping a majority of the time.

I get traps off at least 95% of the time just having my pet stop attacking. I was never that deep into tech’ing back in vanilla for my hunter but it was surely subject to the delay window. A lot of stuff was like that all the way up until, what, WoD?

I guarantee I can trap you.

[Fayld-westfall]

@Linky-bigglesworth

If they are adding this QoL change to hunters

I actually think a lot of hunters aren’t thrilled with this nor do they see it as a qol improvement. The sweaty ones will. The less sweaty ones will be mad that they now have to get tribute and dragon buffs like all the melee classes do. It adds time to your pre raid prep that they haven’t had to worry about until now.

[Daykiller-incendius]

Imagine thinking you need WB at all unless you’re playing purely to parse or speedrun.