The Raid Scene is Dying because of M+

This is a slight backpedal: before you were talking about scores for different keys etc, and now you’re taking the most extreme example that you can come up with to justify your behavior.

If no one takes a risk on said noob, for a key appropriate to their ilvl, they’ll get bored and quit. and that will do wonders for player retention.

#blamem+forclimatechange

Can’t you gear directly from PVP as well?

Yes, I won’t invite a guy who bought 2 KSH carries and then did a bunch of 11 keys to my 15 key either.

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Or mages, because those 2 guys?

Again, you’re coming up with more extreme examples to skirt the uncomfortable fact you’re playing to win more than anything else. You can do this all day and I understand that. It’s okay really, you’re not unique and it’s a wider problem with WoW as an MMO than other MMOs.

Like I said, depends on my mood.

Look dude, Imma be level with you. I run keys in the 23-24 range. There’s no reason to be in there but timing.

So no, I won’t do first come first served.

Dude, I’m not carrying you for free. Just because you want to think it’s a problem in MMOs that people just don’t carry you, it’s not. Be a big boy and learn to play.

Gavel of the First Arbiter is basically an extra trinket. I mean, Gavel is a strength weapon and its still BiS for me as a guardian druid… thats how good it is.

Tuft of Smoldering Plumage is OP for healing and tons more.

There are still lots of BIS pieces that are in raids that cannot be obtained through mythic plus.

Raiding is becoming less popular because it is a huge time waster (running to raid, summoning people, clearing trash, putting together a group of 20 ppl). Mythic plus did not make raiding less popular, raiding itself made raiding less popular.

I think the raid gear on any difficulty should be the same ilvl, the only difference should be a recolor of the armor to make sure other players notice your skill level, not your ilvl.

Yet, TBC had amazing raid participation and Wrath will as well. Retail raids are too difficult, that is why people aren’t raiding, plus they have a mode of content that pretty much showers them with raid level gear without having to raid.

There’s no way at this point Blizzard will dump M+ because raiders feel their work is diluted.

If you don’t want your work to be diluted then don’t do M+. Stick to raiding and compete against yourself.

Where the hell did I ever say I wanted to be carried? Though ironically enough I did a low level key last week just to be nice to other people, we clocked it and I helped get them a +2 on their key. SMH. See this is everything wrong with WoW players. You point out there’s an endemic problem when it comes to player interaction and they think you’re some mooch. I don’t care who I play with as long as I don’t fail every time. I’m okay with failing sometimes to help others learn.

The only carrying I ever got was legion TW week because I ended up rolling eye of azshara on my key over and over and all that did was help boost my ilvl a little bit and give me some of my own high keys (+10) I could build my own groups for last season to eventually get to +15 (and it evened out really, I would have been that high had I started out at the beginning of the season). I got all my high level keys afterwards by working up to it. Okay, peace out, enjoy watching that timer tick and assuming I’m evil.

You know what? This kills my motivation to do M+, even for kicks and giggles to help others: it will just help people get to a level you can use them while screaming at me for doing it.

Though i can tell you’re quite triggered with all these personal attacks.

Sir doth protest too much.

People who say that usually are projecting.

You’re the one writing wall of texts I don’t even bother reading to my 3 sentence replies.

That is also the part of addon and blizzard opening and supporting api for it.

Blizzard should really be more strict on what info can be obtain by the API and limit what addon can tell IE BOSS mode, WA, when to interupt. etc etc. make it is boss mood can’t tell a lot of what the boss can do and instead design more simple fights that require players to be more aware on the raid and what the boss will do and where to move (heck maybe even mark where the boss will hit on normal but in heroic and mythic so people have to reply on their memory instead.

As of right now boss modd, WA, different addon give way too much info about fights and boss encounter so blizzard have to design fights around people having these tools and in order to make it challenging and hard, they have to add more and more mechaincis and enrage timer.

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Such as ?

No you got called out so you’re deflecting.

?? You’re literally the one who can’t even acknowledge I responded to your points with direct counter arguments, like in the example above.

Okay though, if i tell you you win, will you stop embarrassing yourself?

Called out for what ? your imaginary strawmans ?

You never did. You’re just rambling on and on and on and it’s quite boring, and the point stands : you’re still not getting into my +15s.

Called out i carry instead of being carried, when you accused me of wanting carries. You know this though.

Dude, i already blocked you in game at the start of this exchange when I saw how superficial your judgement is. You’re delusional and triggered.

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People who carry don’t want +15s moved to queue systems.

LMAO.

Yet you say I’m triggered. Wow.

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Given that i can only apply to 5 groups at once, it’s really more of a time saver, i already know you don’t take mages. You should thank me. 1 less person to reject.

I really need to see the scientific study where you learned this. For me, i don’t mind grouping with randos and so it saves me time. Endless lfg tool to just “win” sounds boring. Your tiny mind just can’t conceptualize that.

Imagine being this mad about forums.