The "pro RDF" crowd is proof WOTLK isn't Classic

Or you just ignore everyone completely to come out with this dumb comment.

I mean, I can’t speak for others. But the reason I wanted Dungeon Finder back, because it made it easier to group up, and continue doing the content without having to sit around looking at the chat hoping that you can find a group or you can fill creating a group.

plus, accessibility on 2 parts:

  1. If levelling a low level, it is all thanks to the boost that made it almost impossible to find a group to do some dungeons. Because Boost made the world feel dead.
  2. The locations of each dungeon for the Vanilla zones is all over the place. You’re not going to just want to run all the way from EK to Maraudon, considering how out of the way that dungeon alone is truly is.
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RDF automatically teleports you to the dungeon.

With RDF, unlike the LFG tool, another player can’t deny your request to join the group.

With RDF there would be a lot less to manage than the LFG tool.

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  1. Very few people on my server use the tool because it is janky as hell. When people “use” it, they generally just leave it on the default options and spam 4 or more often they just use Discord.

  2. It makes me feel forced (yes I am aware I am not literally forced), to stay in a city because a) closer access to flight paths because I have been to the stone first 100% of the time so far. and b) I am an idiot and being out in the world while checking the tool (or worse, tabbed out to discord) will almost assuredly lead me to walk off a cliff or into a pack of elites from being distracted.

  3. Not all servers/factions are balanced. Anyone on a smaller server or on the outnumbered faction is going to have an exponentially more difficult time finding groups.

My suggested “fix” is 1-70 RDF and 70-80 retail tool (don’t die, it’s not largely different from the one we already have, just x-server and prettier (imho). Could even give it a toggle to do server only for those who choose. Or the listing could default as server only then after x period of time if there is no action, then switching to x-server.

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Again, hyperbolie and hysteria with no actual reasons, other than see others reasons, and im not seeing reasons any where.

I started WOTLK late, missed the first wave of levellers, and had no issue finding dungeons, it was my primary path to level from RFC forward. Sure there are some dungeons no one was running, I had the same issues with RDF too so not an issue.

Running to the meeting stone hasnt been as big as an issue as you make it out to be. Plenty of dungeons within all level ranges with easy to access stones. Also I feel like wanting to be insta ported into the instance isnt something someone in classic wow would be complaining about, but i guess here we are.

Again, nothing you listed is like a serious reason to hate LFG and want RDF put back in. Thus far we have the fact that some people dont run some dungeons and finding a group is hard, which is the same issue RDF had some some instances. That and someone mad that two people need to run to a meeting stone.

Thats it?

They won’t complain, they’ll just use RDF and be happy because its better than the LFG tool and we all know it. I’m convinced 99% of anti-RDFers are just disagreeing to be edgy.

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No, you’re just ignoring what has been posted.

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I’d tell you to quit while you’re ahead but you were never ahead.

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You nailed it. 100%

All these tourists demanding changes, or vying for things that weren’t implemented until later in the xpac, or not at all, are the ones that probably won’t be around for the long haul. Claiming they want the original experience, yet not wanting it at all, yet attempting to change and warp it for those of us that do. Either to play for the first time, but mostly to replay and relive.

It’s very much a purist vs tourist scenario. Not entirely, but a big portion it would appear.

Ok we have:

  1. some dungeons are hard to find groups for
  2. two people need to be at the meeting stone.

Im not trading a better social gaming experience for that.

I don’t think you know what a purist is.

A purist wants the game like it was, and that means it should have RDF.

A purist doesn’t want Retail’s cobjob LFG tool and Mythic dungeons. Those are the things built for Retail tourists.

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Your gaming experience isn’t impacted by what other people choose to do. They aren’t interacting with you in the first place. Those who like the way things are now can continue to do so.

But let me guess “path of least resistance bawhawhaw” because people can’t make choices for their own well-being unless no choice actually exists.

Dual Speculation wasn’t added in at the start of Wrath, yet here we are.
Nor was queuing for Battlegrounds from anywhere in the world, yet, here we are.
Same with a lot of other stuff. I love how people make this claim, but don’t look at other stuff. Maybe for once, stop calling others a tourist without being a tourist yourself.

No, you have completely ignored what I have said.

  1. Boost have destroyed levelling because why level when you can skip 70 levels.
  2. Not all dungeons are not easily accessible, especially with Vanilla Dungeons since they are spread all through out.
  3. To make finding groups a whole lot easier

Those are just 3. If you want to see the full story, maybe start browsing the forums and reading people’s post.

Secondly, Dungeon Finder doesn’t stop anyone from being social.

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This isn’t true. Many anti RDFers are also against BGs from anywhere. Blizzard just doesn’t care about anyones input.

Ah yes, the tired and thoroughly refuted social experiences argument. You guys really need to get better and stronger talking points.

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No this is great, tell me how im not interacting with the people I socialize with in game and how therefore the RDF is superior.

How about you explain how Dungeon Finder stops you from interacting with anyone.

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Ive not heard a single good reason the RDF is better than LFG tool, in fact its all ive been asking here.

Multiple people have said its increased who they know and social aspects of gaming.

What reason did we hate RDF over LFG again? Other that “all the reasons people have stated”: which boils down to the meeting stone being used.

I dont have talking points, im just trying to figure out what people hate so much about LFG vs RDF.

No one has been able to tell me, just want to fight me in forum posts…which, im sure totally isnt a reflection on these people being toxic and maybe people are not wanting to group with them given the choice…

My theory? People know that others won’t want to be around them if they aren’t forced to. Rather than work on themselves to be appealing, they’d rather do away with people options.

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“RDF ruins muh social experiences” is just the lamest argument.

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And I have not read a valid argument of how RDF ruins muh social experiences.

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