You shouldn’t be able to switch factions whenever you want. Choices need to matter.
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People choose their class for both .
They choose their class for what they like about it and that is how they are going to interact with the game play .
If aesthetics is the only thing a person chooses when making a toon then they may as well just make it not even do the first ever quest for the toon and sit there listening to a sound loop of crickets
Nobody said it, I am saying it is quite literally the same thing as they both have heavy advantages and disadvantages, they both require grinding and gearing and they both are better at different types of content.
Unless you are advocating for a free class/gear change because your class is bad at pvp then you cant say you want free covenant changes.
And it is back in shadowlands in case you didnt realize, you have to get your soulbinds, then there’s something else in alpha which you upgrade maybe covenant upgrades, then you unlock the 3rd soulbind dude by grinding out the campaign and then you also gonna be grinding for the desired conduits
So now you are saying that whatever feels good for you should be the standard, the world does not revolve around you nor me, so we stick to the spec that HAPPENS to fit our playstyle, we dont get to design our spec and thankfully I am enjoying MM a lot rn.
Where is the issue exactly.
In my view a spec is a different character in case you didnt read it, the mindset of an MM hunter for example wouldnt be the same as the mindset of a BM hunter therefore they are 2 different characters that can and should join different covenants.
When was the last time this game had an actual hard choice? One that led to a different outcome? I don’t think there ever has been. You pick up a quest and you complete it. There’s only one way to do those quests unless you skip them. If WoW is an RPG it’s the most railroaded RPG in history.
If what you’re saying is that you’d like WoW to change so that it has more choices then that’s fine, but shouldn’t choices matter for storytelling purposes and not for gameplay purposes?
Class choice still matters, profession choice still matters, faction still somewhat matters. They usually do something different every expansion, why can’t they put in a choice like they have done in the past?
I’m just glad the system is needlessly punishing. The try-hards will cry - yet they’ll keep paying for their sub.
Actually no. I’m not a FOTM, i’m a pretty casual player.
But I still don’t want an ability thats laughably useless compared to another covenants. Because that’s how the balance is atm.
There is no min-max choice, theres good ability v.s really, really bad ability.
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True that is another thing, when people hate the game so much to the point they arent enjoying it yet still playing probably because they got hooked with blizzard’s “stay subbed or lose stuff” and now are too invested to ever leave, that is a major issue for many.
Just like there’s broken OP class in pvp and laughably useless class in pvp : )
I’m not a FotM or mim/maxer . Been playing this exact toon since Cata first as a RSurv then as a MM from 6.2 on because I refuse to play hunter as melee.
I don’t do Mythic raiding during current content .Barely even normal raid . I don’t do mythic + dungeons or arenas or even rated bgs.
But what I do is play all aspects of the game at some level and I want to be able to be the best at what I do at the level I am playing .
Wanting the best is not a min/ max fotm thing it is something everyone should want to strive for.
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So your entire idea of what Covenants are is entirely unfounded got it.
Why do you keep saying this? No one is advocating for it and I’m not advocating for free Covenant swapping I’m advocating for less punishing Covenant swapping. I can easily say that no, I don’t want free class and gear changes if my class is bad at something, but yes I do want swapping Covenants to be a less time consuming method.
If you want grindy gameplay there are a ton of free to play MMOs out there for you to play but a lot of people dislike grinding just to grind.
Yeah and I’m saying that if at launch Flaying Shot HAPPENS to fit my playstyle but then gets changed to NOT fit my playstyle I don’t want to be punished if I were to change but then decide to change back because it happens to start to fit my playstyle once again.
In this case you’re simply wrong. Your one character has 3 specs. One character having access to 3 out of 4 Covenants would diminish the “meaning” of your Covenant choice.
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It doesn’t hurt the game - but the value players like Ralph, myself and various others get from these kinds of systems is derived from it’s punitive nature on others.
If the system is made to allow for more choices and player agency, then we lose out on that value.
Rental abilities like covenant should not matter more than class and talent choices nor should they over ride the entire point of picking a class.
If the choice of covenenants tramples upon peoples choice of classes and talents it is a failed system. BFA is a good example of this.
And this is why ladies and gentlemen why rentals don’t work.
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So you want to have the best build to do ultra casual stuff, sure, no issue, level 4 of the same class and choose 4 different covenants.
If you want to “be the best” you clearly need to put effort in it just like all those min maxers for world first that will be leveling 4 of the same class to have in each covenant.
So basically we don’t want choices meaningful or other wise we just want people to play how we want because our enjoyment is based off others not being able to enjoy the game.
You are pathetic.
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Because in my opinion it would simply be your choice not actually having meaning. It has meaning for the expansion while it’s current content but unless the Covenant choice follows us past this expansion it isn’t a true choice like a class or faction. If the Covenant we choose does happen to follow us past Shadowlands I would actually be pleasantly surprised but this seems to be going the way of Artifact Weapons and Azerite Armor.
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Ummm Rogue has a pretty high skill ceiling. DH on the other hand… not so much.
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No why should I .
Why shouldn’t I enjoy being able to do all the things in game I like on a toon I have spent years developing just so some schmuck that gets his enjoyment in game by seeing others not enjoying the game the way they like.
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The only people that think that people who are upset with covenants are FotMers are cabbages
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I do. You already had a topic on the subject matter and decided to make another.
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I’ve mained a Fury Warrior for the past four years now.
I wouldn’t say that I’m a “fotm’er”
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