No. Just… no. People picking for classes/specs are playing at a higher level than anyone else. I don’t think I’ve ever been denied a spot in a pug because I’m an elemental shaman, even though in all reality they could get a BM hunter which is all around better. You act like people will just see that someone is Kyrian and relate that to “Oh you’re a survival hunter? No you can’t come”
The differences between covenants will probably be less significant than specs.
Only if they’re implemented in that way… Why don’t they just create some gigantic talent system and completely absolve classes?
You complain about wanting your choices to matter, and then you turn around and say you want everything when your choice matters.
I’m not worried about the damage aspect I’m worried about the gameplay aspects if I want to play my Paladin in Shadowlands. I like to do a bit of everything so if, for example my most fun ability for Prot is in Venthyr but my most fun ability for Ret is in Night Fae I would need to either grind whenever I wanted to change or level another Paladin.
Not even in the same league.
So you are claiming this should have the same weight as what race or class you play? M’key how about “no”?
Haven’t been reinvent in ages.
Except that’s not how this is.
Maybe that’s just an altoholic problem then, because I would extend that argument to classes. I think if people didn’t have their heads shoved up their a** and tried to view this as picking an extension of their class, they would treat it the same.
lol, believe what you want. If they dont handle this properly, you will figure out pretty quick I’m right.
Also the parses agree with me(Just check warcraftlogs dungeon/raid parse numbers for each spec). The ratio’s follow a pretty consistent trend for every difficulty.
Same concept and clearly where the idea came from, this is an extrapolation
No I’m not but nice strawman. I was pointing out similar places choices with meaning exist.
Absolutely have, try checking out the woweconomy subreddit. If you don’t know how important profession choice is, or how much in game wealth impacts the game idk what to tell you.
Yes it is. You don’t need to be the best spec in order to raid, you need to do mechanics.
Parses also show that all kinds of sub optimal builds and specs are clearing content just fine including mythic : )
I’ve mained a hunter since vanilla and in no way am I FotM.
The current covenant system is bad. That’s objectively speaking, not personally. Tying super strong abilities to a specific covenant then claiming you can balance THEM ALL is not okay, when they cant even balance the current skills.
I never said they cant, I said it will be harder to get into groups.
parses show that most people play the same loadouts
i want choice that doesn’t cost dozens of hours to change it. Choice in talents is enough for me
They could do that but would you really want that?
I definitely think most people will pick the best spec for their class, but theoretically the best builds for sub-optimal specs don’t really differ much than the best build for the best spec (granted there are a couple of really bad specs in BFA). This doesn’t prevent people from getting AOTC or running some mythic 10s with the non-meta spec.
Again, the class argument can be made here. Why choosse to focuss and gear one class over another, better one?
No, but you’re side of the argument should want that by your logic.
Again, considering people will be FORCED to choose a covenant where they ll be sub optimal in X content, it might make it quite clear that you dont need the optimal covenant and can invite people from all sorts of covenants.
Plus Io scores etc
Indeed, it also shows many people using said loadouts performing worse than people with sub optimal loadouts which makes you think that there is some other factor involved.