The new Guild UI and Permissions...yikes (Part 1)

[Caelia-uldaman (Caelia)]

A huge improvement would be a complete overhaul of the guild system. As I said, it’s just some new paint to distract from how awful this system is. Not surprising given the complete disrespect they’ve shown guilds over the last several expansions.

[Fumel-arathor (Fumel)]

A huge improvement would be a complete overhaul of the guild system.

Well, okay. I can’t disagree with this. Offline invites are an improvement, but I’m not going to be recruiting anyone until permissions are fixed, so the new guild finder is kind of moot for me.

But I’m still going to be optimistic and take it as a sign that they’re going to do more for us. That’s just how I am.

[Fumel-arathor (Fumel)]

Here is an interesting idea from another thread concerning guild halls:

@Bloodraptor-echo-isles

The general purpose is to create a point in the game where a guild dungeon could be crafted. Completing certain achievements or bosses can unlock certain boss mechanics or hazards you’ll use to set traps in your own guild dungeons, and use an interface to craft your own dungeon with various rooms and architecture.

When the guild is meeting in the guild hall, it is a chill place to hang out, and various trophies where guild members are credited with various victories.

Dungeon map interface: A simple 3D mechanic, the guild leader can craft the dungeon itself in a 3D design, using rooms and architecture bases to fabricate their own dungeon! An instanced zone with rooms, traps, NPC mobs, and bosses! The dungeon map must consist of a minimum of an entrance room, and a final boss room! Other rooms can be added later, but will overwrite previous incarnations.

NPC “trash” mobs will be titled as “prospects” or “Security”, or be given faction and racial guard identifiers. So Orc NPC mobs in your guild hall will be known as either Grunts, Peons, Blademasters, etc…

Trap deployment: Depending on what bosses you’ve cleared in your exploits, you’ll unlock various traps to use! So if you want to set a long narrow choke point with falling ice and a constant rush of enemy elementals or swarming mobs, you’ll need to do dungeons like the trio of Icecrown 5-mans, and the Tempest Keep 5-mans. Completing various dungeons will unlock the various traps you’ll get to employ in your own guild-run dungeons!

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PVP mode: Players can become the boss versions of their avatars, gaining the “Boss boost” buff, and a selection of various abilities selected for the boss mode. These features are often by default, but customizable!

• Example:
  Class: Rogue(Subtlety)
  Main abilities

Ability 1: Shadow Strike
Ability 2: Evasion
Ability 3: Crimson Vial
Ability 4: Eviscerate
Ability 5: Kidney Shot
Ability 6: Vanish

Secondary(Transformed/Stealth/Prowl)

Ability 1: Vendetta
Ability 2: Cheap Shot
Ability 3: Death From Above
Ability 4: Blind
Ability 5: Smoke Bomb
Ability 6: Crimson Vial

• Example 2:
  Class: Priest(Discipline)

Ability 1: Smite
Ability 2: Heal
Ability 3: Psychic Scream
Ability 4: Power Word Shield
Ability 5: Shadow Word Pain
Ability 6: Mind Control

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Depending on your class, you can use what is baseline available to your class, and some talents when in boss mode. You’ll be restricted to using only 6 spells/abilities. You can set certain conditions to trigger as well, such as setting foot on certain areas to set off boss room traps like NPC spawns to assist you, or to activate traps to force the relocation of attackers.

The PVE mode will alert you to someone challenging your guild, and you can observe if someone can reach the final treasure.

In PVP mode, you control the bosses and can trigger traps and swarms, even the unleashing of mini-boss enemies to hinder progress for your foes!

Rewards will be granted to both sides of the run. The people entering the dungeon will be rewarded in a way similar to mythic run rewarding. Complete the dungeon within a time limit, and you’ll be applicable for rewards custom created by the guild! Fail, and the guild is rewarded with guild hall upgrade tokens which can be exchanged for gold.

Understanding previously reached prior: Yes I know there will be the risk of players exploiting the system to get heaps of gold, the gold will be in relation to how many members are active in your guild. And the gold you exchange guild hall upgrade tokens for will go directly into your guild vault! Your guild vault will decide the overall reward of currency in your guild hall dungeon! Meaning your guild vault says how much total gold a dungeon group will claim upon completion of your dungeon. Players who remain idle in a dungeon just to run out the clock and not engage in combat will alert swarming mobs to your location, of which the longer you’re idle, the greater the threat becomes. Encouraging players to complete the dungeon if they entered it for loot.

Guild members can create custom loot for their dungeon, including mount and pet rewards with the guild’s color scheme.

Example: I have Zeradar. Players who run the Flying Raptors dungeon and complete it within the time limit can receive a “FLYING RAPTORS Initiated Zeradar”, which will basically be a Zeradar pet with the Flying Raptors guild emblem worn on the pet’s back.

Guild dungeon reward creation:

Mount: The members of the guild will be rewarded with the exclusive guild mounts, a variation of 2 mounts available(Ground and Flying mounts). Options like colors, guild banner, and optional saddle + armor options. Guild mounts will be adorned in armor themed after the guild. Make it as colorful, tacky, gaudy, or stylish as you like!

Guild toys: Guild members will get these upon logging in, and are account wide, however those running through the dungeon will have to earn these! Ranging from banners worn on the back, to a toy that changes you to look like certain members who are bosses.

Pet: The guild can create pets to serve as rewards for besting certain guild member bosses. This includes things like pet abilities being changed to fit the guild’s theme, and colored to match the guild. Even having a child from that guild’s faction follow you around!

Example:
Companion: FLYING RAPTORS Gruntling
Quotes:

“I heard Bloodraptor is actually a Sunstrider, and he doesn’t take the throne because he wants to redeem his family name before then!”

“Did you know Bloodraptor can out-swim a Tortollan! My big sister said she saw him do it!”

“I hope Bloodraptor kills you so he can sign your skull for me! I’ll cherish it always!”

“I heard Bloodraptor is a master of skinning and leatherworking, and can turn even your hide into a suit! Imagine him wearing a suit of your skin!”

“I heard Bloodraptor made an attempted assassin flee just by laughing! LAUGHING! Even the Laughing Skull clan is afraid of his laugh!”

“I heard Bloodraptor wrestled Deathwing out of the sky with his bare hands, and powerbombed him through an airship! I wish I could have seen that!”

Just for some chuckles.

[Brahmina-khadgar (Brahmina)]

Am I being dumb? I can find no sign of the new recruitment feature I thought was coming in the recent patch. I open up the guild/communities tab, and it looks exactly like it did before. I could find no way to put my guild in the guild finder (whether I was an officer, GM, or ordinary member).

What am I doing wrong?

[Venjin-bronzebeard (Venjin)]

Hopefully when I log on tonight I’ll figure it out.

[Brahmina-khadgar (Brahmina)]

I sure didn’t see anything different when I logged in. I feel like there must be something I’m missing. Looked on several of my characters, including Fumel.

Bad enough we can’t get a fix for the permissions. I don’t want to think that we can’t even get the things that were on the PTR.

[Ðirt-garona (Ðirt)]

Nope, I see no changes from this toon (GM of my guild).
In fact, when I hop onto an unguilded toon, I can no longer access the guild recruitment interface at all now to look for a guild, only Communities.

[Venjin-bronzebeard (Venjin)]

And of course they found a way to make the whole thing worse.

Ugh.

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

I’m still not going to do any recruiting with the permissions as they are. I want fully functional guild controls before I start inviting strangers into my guild.

This is exactly where I’m at. A lot of RP guilds use those permissions as part of their incentive to want people to rank up and participate more. As do casual guilds and raid guilds.

What’s the point of having a boatload of ranks when I can’t give permissions to people in increments based on those ranks?

[Brahmina-khadgar (Brahmina)]

when I hop onto an unguilded toon, I can no longer access the guild recruitment interface at all now to look for a guild, only Communities.

Oh. My. God.

And of course they found a way to make the whole thing worse.

Leave it to Blizz. They tease us with one of the things we’ve been asking for throughout this thread–and then they don’t deliver.

I’m generally optimistic and understanding, but this… is… just…

I don’t even know what to say anymore.

HELLO! IS ANYBODY HOME?

[Alfgerdhr-moon-guard]

Taking bets on that gnome throwing another anniversary party.
and SKÖL to the real contributors who constantly give facts, figures and wonderfully spot-on examples.
Keep 'em coming!
Hoists one in your respective honors!

[Fumel-arathor (Fumel)]

Quoting (again) a terrific post about guild halls (From Nov '18):

A guild hall would be amazing.

It is not owned by the GM, so it can’t be sold. It just comes with the guild. Guilds should be able to fly banners from every faction they’re exalted with, hang heads of raid bosses, display older legendaries (yes, even Thunderfury), etc. In other words, in game displays of guild achieves and it’s cosmetic stuff.

A pvp arena would be a blast.

The only NPC I really want is a vendor who sells booze. Beer is a key component for dwarf-led parties!

I have used my garrison. Officer meetings in the hall building in front of the fireplace are perfect. Also, egg hunts for Noblegarden are pretty fun in the garrison. Would much rather have a guild hall in SW/Org.

I have to admit, the idea of hanging raid boss heads in the hall seems both cool and creepy to me. It would definitely be an eye-catching visual!

[Vyolynn-malygos]

I opened my guild and went to the roster and the recruit a member button next to the guild setting button is gone have anyone else noticed that

[Fumel-arathor (Fumel)]

the recruit a member button next to the guild setting button is gone have anyone else noticed that

Yes, we were mentioning a bit earlier that they borked the guild recruitment UI. They had a new system on the PTR where you could search guilds and invite offline and other stuff, but instead of implementing that with the patch, they made all recruiting go away. You can still invite folks, but the guild recruitment tab is gone.

[Finraziell-wyrmrest-accord]

Bobby Kotick is not a smart man, just a greedy terrible one.

[Andalya-ghostlands (Andalya)]

They had a new system on the PTR where you could search guilds and invite offline and other stuff, but instead of implementing that with the patch, they made all recruiting go away. You can still invite folks, but the guild recruitment tab is gone.

Yeah I was just looking for that in-game right now, hoping to see the new changes but they completely removed it? So yet another feature/function of guilds is gone.

[Fumel-arathor (Fumel)]

So yet another feature/function of guilds is gone.

I’m assuming/hoping it’s just a bug. The new UI was on the PTR after all. I don’t know why they would go through the trouble of creating it and testing it if they were just going to remove recruiting altogether.

The very optimistic (and imaginative) side of me wonders if it bugged out because they were also trying to restore the permissions at the last minute. We know those are entangled with the communities feature, and the new guild recruitment UI was also part of the communities, so…

Yeah, I know. I probably need to get more sleep.

[Velara-gilneas (Velara)]

This is a containment thread. That means Blizzard will continue to ignore this until people get tired of posting in it.

There is ZERO chance this will ever be fixed. If you want to control your guild again, you will have to play Classic.

[Fumel-arathor (Fumel)]

That means Blizzard will continue to ignore this until people get tired of posting in it.

You mean, if we stop posting, Blizzard will stop ignoring us?

Seriously though, I’m going to assume Ion wasn’t lying when he agreed the permissions changes are a problem and said they’re actively working on a fix.

The recruitment changes were actually on the PTR, so they’ve clearly been doing something for guilds. Why it didn’t make it to live with the patch, we’ll probably never know. But that doesn’t mean those changes will never go live, or that we’ll never get the permissions separated.

And yeah, Blizz will have to actively close this thread if they want me to stop posting.

[Velara-gilneas (Velara)]

I sincerely hope that a fix IS in the works. It was absurd to make the change in the first place, at least, without a toggle.

Anyway, I have my doubts as to whether this really will be fixed, but I sincerely hope I am completely wrong.

Thanks for talking me off the ledge…