I think it’s a terrific post. It’s an excellent illustration of how guild controls should work.
I’m traveling for the next few days and may not be able to post much, but it looks like you guys have this covered. 
Hey, Blizz! Make the retail permissions as useful as the classic ones, please.
^^I gotta go with what they said ^^
Fix 'em Blizz
Please.
Like Druunah, I have also been enjoying the return of granular permissions in Classic. That said, I have also been missing some things from retail guilds. So in the interest of creating the best possible guild infrastructure, I think it’s worthwhile to bring up what classic guilds don’t offer.
The biggest thing I miss, by a large margin, is the guild bank. I know that the No Changes people will not like to hear this…but I wouldn’t be offended if guild vaults found their way into Classic. (I’m not saying this should happen…It just wouldn’t offend me, personally.) This was one of the first things that came up on launch night, and continues to be brought up by my guildies literally every day.
That said, I haven’t used the mail this much in many many years. We’ve been mailing cloth to our tailors, and the tailors mail bags to everyone they can. People are gifting patterns, greens, and potions to each other, sometimes after asking “can you use this?” and sometimes as a surprise.
I think that the lack of a guild vault combined with the desire to share and help has created this mailing/gifting culture. A guild vault would be convenient, for sure. But it would encourage us to just dump items into the vault instead of asking in gchat, “Does anyone want this item?” We’re talking to each other a lot more about our professions, what gear slot we’re struggling to fill, and how much gold we’re short for training.
So I’ll be honest. I miss the convenience of the guild vault. But I didn’t realize until I spent time in Classic exactly how much the vault trades communication for convenience. For myself, I think it’s a trade I’m willing to make. But I have a new respect for those who prefer the stronger communication.
The other thing I’ve noticed is that Classic doesn’t have logs. Once again, this forces me to talk to people. It’s nice from that aspect I suppose. But it’s also super nice to just look to see who invited this person…or whatever it is that I need to know. This is another area where I personally would sacrifice the (imo awkward) conversation in exchange for a guild log.
I’m curious if you guys are missing anything from the retail guild infrastructure? Or is the relief about having granular permissions back so strong that it outweighs everything else? Are your guildies also using the mail tons more than in retail?
I agree.
I do miss the guild vault, however it was for a slighly different reason.
Going into Classic, I was aware we’d have no guild bank. I was prepared to make a couple / few bank alts to help compensate for the loss.
What I had not taken into account was how much we had used guild bank permissions in our ranking process.
Bank privileges were used as intensives to be helpful within the guild. The more helpful you were, the more you ranked, the more you ranked, the more GB usage you were rewarded.
The “loss” isn’t devastating by any means. (Not like suddenly having almost no guild permissions was Blizz. Just saying) but it was something to consider.
I’m still not sure exactly how we’ll do things now, but I agree with Takota that there will surely have to be a lot more communication between guildies and players in general as a result.
For me at least, I can’t say that’s a bad thing, and I am not really worried about it at this point.
I was not aware that there would be no guild logs. I guess I simply forgot. I was a very new (noob) GM back then, and that feature must have been implemented before I was very aware that guilds had logs.
Again, not a huge hit.
I am a big addon user generally. For Classic though I have made up my mind to not use them at all when possible.
For example, I do not want an addon that helps with quests like “Questie” an addon like the old Quest Helper was.
That’s Just me. For me, it takes away from the Classic experience. However, I have no issues with others who want to use them. I have even steered my guildies to the addons they feel they need in order to play their way. It is after all their game and their time.
That being said, I found a guild log addon for Classic.
It is simplistic (to me) but it mostly does what I need. On mouse-over of it’s mini-map button, it shows me recent guild events like who was invited, who left, who was ranked, etc… It appears that the “list” it shows will be very limited as far as how far back it will show as there really isn’t much to it and what you see is what you get (so far at least, no ability to scroll back)
I am good with that.
Although I believe that Classic should not be changed, I am not a complete Classic purist. I am fine with those that are, and I understand why they want no changes. If changes start, where do they end? Etc…
However:
I was ok with Blizzard “fixing” the mail in Classic so we can mail more than one item at a time.
I would be fine with them adding a Guild Bank of some kind, but at the same time, I am not going to advocate or crusade for them do so.
Like Takota said:
Me too.
(Side note to Venjin)
I’ll be keeping my eye open for you.
Hey Blizz, how about doing a “Classic Makeover” to the BfA guild permissions?
Thank you.
Okay Blizzard. I don’t want to be that guy in this thread, but I’m going to, because it seems to have permeated GD since the launch of Classic and I don’t want this thread to be left out of the fun.
So here goes:
Classic is better than retail.
Why?
Guild permissions.
There, I said it.
And now the obligatory: CLasSic iS thE rEtAil KiLLeR LoLZ!
(To Druunah)
Once I get my warlock to Ironforge I’ll be easy to spot: I’ll be in front of the AH raving about how Khadgar lives and that Katrana Prestor is not to be trusted.
^This, please.
Still traveling, so not really any time for posts. But I do hope there’s someone at Blizzard still aware of our issue and still working on it.
There have been lots of terrific suggestions for guilds in this thread, and I’d love to see as many as possible implemented. If we can only have one, though, I choose granular permissions. Please make it so, Blizz.
Guild Banks are useless to most guilds because very few people in each guild can ever use them. Guild masters invite everyone they can into a guild and they don’t trust anyone they invite. It’s ruined guild banks. Just my two cents. I don’t have access to the guild bank in this game, but I have full access to the bank in my FFXIV game. I really only care about FFXIV. I just play here to game with my roommate.
I do like that Classic doesn’t have logs or API. Can’t use that crap to reject players! For me, that would be the biggest plus in playing Classic. “Oh, but I filter out casuals” and if that casual gets better, he’s still filtered out because he had a bad start, so that’s a crap excuse.
It sounds like you’ve either had some bad experiences, or haven’t gotten involved enough to earn trust in your guild. If it is the former, I’m sorry. Not all guilds are run in a fair way. For me personally, I do everything in my power to be fair to my guildies. Our guild vault is very heavily used.
Everyone in the guild (even new people) have access to the guild vault. If that access is abused, I can either demote the person, or remove them from the guild. What I do depends on the specifics of the situation. For a misunderstanding, I generally demote for a while, and then restore permissions. For someone who is blatantly stealing, I remove them from the guild. But much more commonly, people do not abuse their access, and they earn promotions which give them more access.
I think we’re talking about different things here. I was referring to the guild log, which shows things like “Johnnywarrior invited Thrallsham to the guild” and “Vendingmage has left the guild.” There’s no “filtering of casuals” or “rejecting players” to be had in that sort of log…
If you’re referring to addons like Details which show dps numbers, that does actually exist in classic.
Apparently we’re not the only people who care about guilds.
So much room for improvement…
This is embarrassing.
Oh look, somebody else suggesting something we’ve suggested already:
Holy necro-posting. You guys have created a new breed of undead…have you no shame?
Necro’d implies that there was a break in posting for a goodly amount of time. This thread has been posted in almost (if not every) day. L2Intarwebkthxbai
Howdy, Che! Thanks as always for the bump. 
Sorry to disappoint you, but as Dlaciabia so aptly points out, this thread is anything but a necro. It’s well-aged, I’ll give you that, but it’s still an ongoing discussion about guild permissions and other guild improvements.
Which reminds me: Hey Blizz! Fix the permissions, pleez! 
I’m sorry to see you’ve had such bad experiences with guilds. Nearly every guild I’m in (and I have dozens of alts in many different guilds) allow access to the GB for everyone. A few have strict limits on brand-new members. Most of them arrange it so the first tab is open to everyone as a sort of trading house.
One of the major complaints about the all-in-one permissions is that many GM’s rewarded active, helpful members with ranks that gave them more bank access as well as more guild responsibilities. The all-in-one permissions makes it difficult to reward distinguished members and makes managing a guild harder overall.
My own guild is a tiny personal guild. It will stay that way as long as I can’t parse out permissions as I wish. I’m not about to “invite everyone” I can. I want a way to reward trustworthiness with more responsibility, and right now that’s not possible.
I keep this thread alive in the hope that one day we’ll once again be able to manage our guilds as we wish.
Edit: and maybe also just to bug Che. 
New suggestion:
Create a permission that allows a player to automatically draw crafting mats from the guild bank (like how it currently functions with mats in our banks). Give all crafting UI windows a little notifier saying “Guild Reagents Available” when it’s active for a person.
How this benefits me? I’ll be able to dump useless mats into the bank and actually see them be used without needing somebody to pull them out.
Lol, it fits the description tyvm. Dead, dead, dead. Been dead.
If I hadn’t posted about 8.2.5 changes, all you woulda seen here is copy/paste “here’s another great post from someone who isn’t here anymore but totally understands!” …riiiight…
Pretty sure Classic guild permissions are perfect for you and most of you don’t actually play BfA so…the majority of us enjoy guild permissions as they stand in BfA. Go enjoy Classic!
It’s like that old joke about how God didn’t come in and save some guy drowning in the ocean…He sent a boat, a helicopter, and an oil tanker…He did all he could do. The problem may not lie within the rescue/game but within you. Hmmm…
Yup, we’re all completely incapable of keeping up with Blizzard’s lightning fast changes to WoW, so thanks bunches for remembering to alert us about 8.2.5. We really can’t manage without you, Che!
And thanks again for the bump!
^I love this idea!
Once granular permissions are back, it really shouldn’t be that hard to implement this suggestion. Make it so, Blizz!
This is the first ‘sort of true’ statement you’ve made since you came out of the closet as this thread’s pet troll.
For me personally, I am not actively playing BfA (other than to post some auctions once in a while) but Classic as the guild permissions there are (as you say) “perfect for me”
Why am I not playing BfA?
Because Blizzard, for whatever reason that no longer matters to me, destroyed guild permissions as I always knew them, and gave us an xpac of “questionable” content that was mostly uninteresting to my guild.
The result?
Months ago, our guild in a unanimous group decision, decided to move ourselves to Classic where we are once again thriving and having the time of our lives. Our guild is not only thriving there, it’s growing there.
I (also as you say Che) am no longer actively playing BfA.
Since I no longer have the time to devote to all my many alts on my multiple accounts, I have done as I said I would many months ago:
I cancelled all but one of my subs.
A friend of mine (our guild’s second and also a card carrying “alt-oholic” ) did the same.
Because Classic takes so much more time and effort to level a toon etc…For me at least, I no longer have the time and energy to devote to multiple toons, and therefore have no logical reason to have multiple accounts.
Thanks Che! We are enjoying Classic very much!
I know I am!
On my one active account.
Oh, and by the way this reminded me:
No.
You still haven’t posted an answer, although you’ve been asked many times in this thread over the last year or more, how you made the “is officer” check box work in your guild.
In fact you seem so happy with that simplistic little check box that you seem almost compelled to continue to haunt this thread and knowingly keep
Blizzard:
Please fix the permissions for all these awesome Guild Leaders so dedicated to their guilds that they are still trying to give you what you specifically asked for (even though you wont communicate with them much) through thick and thin, (trolls) over a year after you borked them.
Thank you.
Except, that it doesn’t. Posting after a break of a few weeks or months would qualify it as having been necro’d.
You may think the topic is a dead horse, but the subject of a thread is irrelevant to it being a necro’d post.
TLDR: Used wrong intarweb term, got embarrassed, can’t admit it.