The nelves won darkshore

[Amadis-draka (Amadis)]

@Jellex-wyrmrest-accord

How does getting “production value” make up for the fact that the Horde’s time in the spotlight was worse than being ignored?

It does not, and I have never disagreed with you on this. As I referenced in my last post:

@Amadis-draka

I have to agree with Jellex, though. The War of the Thorns, the Burning of Teldrassil, the Battle for Lordaeron, those all did really suck, and still suck. They sucked so much that they drained any interest out of Kul’Tiras for me. I was completely unmotivated to spend time fixing Jaina’s and Kul’Tiras’ problems. And then a number of dungeons and Uldir had no connection to the Alliance at all, so beyond the chance to get Zul after Pandaria, I didn’t even bother to do them.

But things have changed since Tides of Vengeance. Everything has been going right for the Alliance. Everything we’ve done has succeeded in making things better for the Alliance one way or another. It doesn’t make the parts that sucked suck any less, but at least for all practical purposes it hasn’t added new parts that suck for the Alliance.

However, that can’t really be said for the Horde. Practically everything in Zandalar ended up in failure. Every bit of their efforts in the Horde War Campaign have been undone. They gained practically nothing in the Battle of Dazar’alor.

Things have sucked for both sides. But things have been sucking more ever since launch for the Horde.

@Amadis-draka

I’m going to have to agree with Shieyra and Jellex on this one. The Horde players don’t have to play the Alliance side to know everything they worked at was undone. Marshal Valentine is killed in the Horde questing. In the Horde questing they find out that the Alliance somehow got the Abyssal Scepter back and were using it against the Horde at Nazmir. The Horde player helps Baine return Derek to Jaina. Sylvanas has Nathanos execute Zelling. Sylvanas intentionally has what remains of the Zandalari fleet sacrificed in the Nazjatar trap. Ashvale is a raid boss in The Eternal Palace. Horde players don’t have to do any Alliance content to see any of that.

But the following is what we are at odds for now:

@Jellex-wyrmrest-accord

This attitude of “you got your CGI” really irks me.

The post of mine you responded and accuse me of bad faith of was not me saying “you got your CGI.” It was a response to Fizzer posting what amount to “Yeah, well, our cinematics were better.” Fizzer was the one posting basically “You won Darkshore, but we actually got CGI” to try to belittle what the Alliance did get.