This isnt’ my main it’s just my forum avatar, I do higher keystones than you do; my group hit a number wall when our gear limited our mitigation and DPS throughput because we don’t raid – > meanwhile we know players who have 5-7 more overall item levels than us doing higher keystones that we know for a fact are worse players.
But you keep on telling yourself that.
Hell a 15 Tyrannical Kings rest is harder then any heroic boss this xpac bar none.
Mythic ghuun, Jaina, Azshara, Uunat, KJ, avatar of sarg, mistriss sizene, Guldan (the list goes on and on) would like a word with you.
Idk if youre aware cause youre probably a Legion/bfa baby, but nzoth has been one of the few mythic bosses with a gimmick like sanity… I can literally count on 2 hands the amount of bosses in wows history that have gimmicks like sanity
Really, you truly believe Mythic raiding is 2-3 people having a job and the rest rolling their face, healing tanks is easy, there are no thresholds.
Ignorant and stupid, honestly. I’d agree with Blizz giving mythic 22+ an ilvl upgrade, because that’s when mathematically it starts to match up. Guess how few people do 22+s? Less than mythic raid.
Mythic + is an esport, keep you from being bored, additional access to loot for the game; it is not the endgame.
Please post from your main; I’d love to see it.
They are not putting in more effort tho. They are just spending more time.
Thats like saying the mage tower shouldn’t exist cause the instance takes 15 mins to complete and they should instead just have a long as quest line to get the appearance of another balance of power skin.
Both require effort to get and mage tower was arguable harder then the balance of power quest line. Sorry but your wrong on this brah
That’s because a lot of them RAID. What difference does it make to top end raiders who also do high level keys?
For those people stuck in the middle, who are well passed 15s but not pushing the world first 28s, 29s, 30s, now they are just simply hard capped at 15s. No point, no nothing.
This one? Okay
Of course not. I think the organisational aspect of it is a job for 2 or 3 people, not the skill based aspect of execution. That aspect is also present in M+.
Good, you do M+ at around the same level; don’t kid yourself, we are likely equal on M+ skill except I dedicate to raiding and PVP moreso. Your gear is not the reason you’re failing 24-25s though, as those have been done plenty by people in full 465s, it’s a route issue or skill issue somewhere.
You can accept that, or continue to complain; M+ is a loot pinata at 15s, it is an absolute joke on content and should never reward mythic raid level gear.
Except they are putting in more effort because they are doing content that is much harder while also coordinating with 19 other players.
If the ilvl in M+ is irrelevant, then why do you care if it offers the same ilvl as raiding? It sounds like you want your cake and have already eaten it. There’s no argument to be had if you make such a claim; you are arguing in favour of M+ getting the same ilvl as Mythic raiding to that effect.
So 2-3 people plan it and control the other 20 people to execute it properly, yes?
You’d be capable of every mechanic while outputting proper DPS/HPS 110%, you just don’t want to…right?
Can you move on from your argument being “M+ shouldn’t offer the same gear as mythic raiding does at M+15”?
Nobody is saying it should. I think most people EXPECTED the cap to go up.
Because upping the M+ gear would invalidate early tier raiding completely; I don’t want to go into the first week of mythic in 226 gear, I enjoy the progress and challenge.
I did, for a very long time. I loved raiding. Early wrath through to early WoD somewhere.
I’ve moved on, and so has the game. Let’s not go backwards.
Don’t kid yourself - we don’t do M+ around the same level. I run with an off meta group, an enhancement shaman, and none of us are in mythic gear outside of maybe a weapon on the shaman. Your 8 item levels on anyone in our group gives you a massive advantage on both mitigation and DPS potential; that’s how math works.
I give you kudos to your CE and gladiator, but let’s not pretend we’re doing the same thing in M+ at all. If we had anywhere near raider quality gear we’d have broken into the 26-27 range long ago. The fact that we don’t have access to equal gear is bogus.
You’ve moved on, the game has NOT moved on; case in point, you’re in here complaining that it hasn’t.
Raids from wrath/WOD to now are like comparing a normal to a high mythic, there are more mechanics per boss now than there were across an entire tier.
It’s is harder tho and in fact much less forgiving then raiding is. You tell ur 19 other people what to do and it is perfectly fine and except able if one or two die during the fight.
In high end mythic everyone has to play perfectly because it’s much less forgiving if one person dies.
Can you post a few more times?
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