The M+ nerf is good and raiding should always offer the best gear

The M+ ilvl nerf is a good thing. I’ve raided on and off since vanilla and the times I wasn’t raiding, I had accepted the fact I wasn’t going to have the best gear.

The players are entitled today, thinking they deserve the best stuff with minimal effort. Raiding has always been and should always be the route for the best gear.
It requires more than just being good, but a commitment to a team.

The M+ gear is still very competitive with raiding gear, but no longer the best for min/max players. This gives the player something to strive for and motivate them to get into raiding.

The M+ weekly still rewards a mythic ilvl piece of loot and I think even that needs changed. The M+ drops should be slightly higher than normal raid ilvl and the weekly should be heroic ilvl. This would be fine and serve as transitional gear to get into raiding. This would also lower the chances of annoying issues like certain dungeon trinkets or dungeon sets(mech rings) being BiS for end game raiding.

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I agree. Reward/effort ratio finally makes sense.

Mythic raiding is the hardest content in the game. It should offer the best gear as well. If this doesn’t make sense to you, you simply do not understand game design.

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Any 25+ key is harder than any mythic raid boss

The fact that sanity has to play a role, a gimmick, to kill a final boss is proof enough

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It’s all about the reward structure. If one is on a weekly lockout and one is spammable, one should be more lucrative than the other.

Higher ilvl, weekly lockout
Lower ilvl, spammable as much as you want

It’s also only 3 ilvls between Heroic and +15, and if you run enough you get a guaranteed Mythic raid piece at the end of the week. So you can still run M+ and push higher keys as you’re getting those Mythic pieces.

Of course, people who do all forms of content will gear faster, but that’s how it should work.

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You have multiple 25+ clears and you’ve yet to clear Mythic N’zoth because it’s still too hard for you.

You’re a walking contradiction to this statement.

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It’s pretty obvious that Blizzard wants the weekly chest to be important in SL.

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N’zoth it still easier… Mythic plus unlike every raid hasn’t been nerfed into the ground

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The thing is pushing high keys will still be in game and the prestige for doing high keys will still be a thing.

This issue has nothing to do with pushing high keys, but the reward system making easy keys such as 15’s close to raiding gear.

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I can see what you’re getting at, but I don’t see why raiding needs to be the be-all, end-all content anymore…?

I don’t think M+ is quite there, but there needs to be some sort of endgame path toward 5-man content. While not perfect, M+ has shown the potential of challenging endgame content with a small group of friends, and I don’t think people are going to forget that anytime soon.

We need 5-man raid-equivalent content, already. I’d even argue the game has needed it for a decade now.

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how are mythic affixes not a gimmick by that logic?

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? I am social in my guild and 11/12M.

That should explain to you how easy it
Is when a social rank in a guild is 11/12M

And let’s be honest, any guild worth their salt has been selling gear from that place for months.

The guild I’m in does 4-5 carries per boss per week.

So they 15 man these bosses.

Mythic raid is harder how???

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So more people can just buy clears for the best gear?

The raid sellers and buyers are all rejoicing.

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Stop lying. Honestly. Anyone that claims to have raided since vanilla would know for a FACT that High Warlord gear surpassed ANYTHING from BWL or Molten Core. So while you expect to hold your head up high above the rest and declare yourself the king of the neckbeards, some of us have been around since day one and we’re tired of people standing in fire, going afk to smoke weed or just being plain bratty like yourself. Also, full of it. No, Raiding should offer the same gear as is required to clear the content. The best should go to the High Warlords and the M+ guys who can do content that you’d probably fail at.

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molten core and BWL are comparable to normal and heroic now a days. Pvp gear didn’t even come close to naxx gear and even AQ40 gear was probably better.

Also you can check my achievements and feat of strengths for battle of the dark portal lol.

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This is the primary reason why I don’t eant to deal with getting a raid group of 15+ other people together. I don’t want to deal with the moody bratty attitudes.

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You have no clue what you are talking about. Sit down.

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so salty. guess you get to conduct yourself in a socially acceptable manner and raid for BiS lol

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coming from the LFR raider lol…

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But you’re still guaranteed a Mythic iLvL piece of gear weekly if you do a +15.

Instead of throwing a fit why not just request a +20 or +25 to reward higher iLvL pieces with the weekly offering a iLvL 233 piece?

Let’s not forget that you get to choose your pieces as you progress your Weekly Vault so you get to choose your piece.

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Raids are outdated content. Bliz struck gold with m+. Leave it to them to kill the golden goose. Its about time they cut the cancer out of the game that is mythic raiding. Its done nothing but ruin pvp and mythic+.

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