There was never a raid or die, it was if you wanted the best gear you would raid. Every other MMORPG sence their inception has done this, EverQuest, Classic WoW, Hell Even FFXIV does this. I don’t know why everyone is suddenly shocked.
This makes so much sense.
I personally skipped a very long time of raiding, but EP+Nya were both solid raids and Nathria looks good. I think, gear aside, this is the best endgame WoW has been. Agree with you that raiding quality doesn’t seem to have gone down at all.
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And most other mmos don’t have sub fees anymore, when am I gonna get to play wow without one?
It’s relative to the person I suppose. I spent more time raiding in legion than I have since WOTLK.
All the games i listed have sub fees.
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I think its GREAT. When you’re done with a tier you’re DONE on that character. Then you can play alts and raid with them or just take a break.
These infinite grinds of the past 2 expansions SUCKED HARD. I hate the infinite grind more than anything.
When it becomes trash like the ones that were named.
So October 27th? I’d make the case it already happened a long time ago, though.
Tomb of SOAKgaras. Never forget.
Your statement alone makes you a hypocrite. By stating that raiders should get the best gear makes you very entitled.
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They’re optional. You can still gear - > raid to CE - > quit until next. Nothing is stopping you. Plenty of my friends still adhere to this minus a small grind in dungeons first 2 weeks.
Perhaps, but I feel a lot of raid fights in ToT/SoO/BRF/HFC felt more like filler than fights, compared to NH/ToS/Antorus/BoD/EP/Ny’alotha. Sure BRF had Blackhand, HFC had Mannoroth and Archimonde, but the rest fell on its face more, design wise.
I don’t count start of expansion raids, those are always throwaway and silly.
You don’t understand, I killed a mythic raid boss, I’m entitled to the strongest pvp loot
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Laughs in Paladin.
I have the mentality less is more. I love that raiding is going back to being THE way to gear. Is it a popular opinion? Nope but its mine and I stand by it.
The freaking out and crying of this news is reaching new levels that no one has ever seen.
This would of course be compared with getting accepted to decent normal/heroic pugs with low gear too right?
If we’re talking pugs, I bet it’s easier to climb from Normal -> Heroic pugs than from +5 -> +10 keys.
Yeah but everyone is under the assumption that raiding is what MMO games are all about. It’s wrong. MMO games have always been about the community and social aspects of a big world. This predating raiding as a concept. Whether it’s dungeons, raids, pvp, world content, what you prefer should be the goal.
There is no MMO rule book that says raiding has to be the end game. This is a player created perception.
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