Being a pvper and thinking you benefit by raid gear being mandatory for all other forms of content seems kind of silly, no? Didn’t we do this song and dance with m+?
Please add a PvP stat
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A +15 key is definitely more challenging than a heroic raid.
They’re both pretty trivial, don’t get me wrong but… I think only getting ONE drop per dungeon was enough of a nerf. The ilvl nerf on top of it is just a bit strange.
Content should reward gear based off of difficulty and nothing else.
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Maut isn’t much better dude. I don’t count “Stand in the raid wide cooldown” as anything particularly difficult in this age of overbearring spell effects.
What ? I guess if you tank Wrathion pointed at the raid and give everyone the breath debuff and heal through it, it might start looking about as hard as a Tyrannical 15 boss.
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It’s harder because 5 people are responsible as opposed to 25.
The same reason 10 man Naxx was more challenging than 25 man
M+ is just as scripted as a raid. The ONLY thing that changes is the size of the packs you can pull and whatever modifier over a 10 creates for each season.
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We don’t know that yet, we haven’t cleared this heroic raid or the 15s in their final, scaled forms.
Group size =/= difficulty. lol
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Did you not see the part where I said now let’s get the pvp item level sorted out?..
If the past is indicative, which it usually is, they’ll be more difficult than a heroic raid.
And if they aren’t… You’re going to have a lot of heroic raiders crying on these forums when they can’t clear content soon.
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False, completely false… if you have 25 people it’s easier than having 5… if 1 person in your 25 man raid messes up it is much less of an impact than if 1/5 of your party messes up in a 5 man… add on to that in a 5 man two of the people are the healer and the tank.
LOL, you think that’s actually going to happen? I’ve got a bridge to sell you, my friend.
That’s my way of saying no tyrannical 15 is difficult either, I never once said wrath/maut were HARD. When you factor in coordinating 18-20(sales happen) vs 5, easily equivalent. 15s are faceroll, even on tyrannical, those bosses have the same or less mechanics involved.
I would have to assume 15s will be comfortably done around ilvl 190-200 even by average players, if it’s dropping 210s.
NO! PVP should be a legit path, and so should time spent PVPing. High Warlord should be the way it was way back when dinosaurs ruled the Earth, but with changes and stuff, instead “omg wow I got a title” or “omg a mount I’ll never use” Rated stuff is the realm of neckbeards and is dominated by guess who-?? Raiders. It’s a sad system and the whole thing is geared around eating Ramen.
Wait, which side are you even arguing for?
Because with what you just said mythic + is more difficult. Which is not always true. lol
It depends on the fight/dungeon and the level of the key or mode of the raid. A +15 key is usually harder than a heroic boss. A mythic boss is usually harder than a +15 key but a +30 key is harder than basically anything. lol
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Doesn’t matter that both are easy, we comparing them. 15s are harder than the first few Mythic Ny’alotha bosses, yet drop loot 10 ilvls below that of Mythic Ny’alotha bosses. Making it even lower is dumb. No one needing 460 gear is doing 15s outside of some crazies going for week 1 15 key clears.
I think that you are correct, they should add a PvP stat
They won’t be. lol
Most heroic raiders I know can’t complete a +15–even with the steroids that are corruptions.
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I don’t agree any 15 is harder, but we can agree to disagree.
I was selling 15s before I was selling mythic bosses, for example. Mostly for loot reasons, but still.
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