The key squish in DF S4 is what killed low M+

Oh so you’re wrong about two things. Cool.

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A nasty one at that. Probably one of the worst ones on the forums.

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Yup, basically all but a handful of people in my guild has quit running them and we are the largest guild on the server.

the devs have been complaining about flying since TBC. Why do you think they made Dragonflying?

God, these forums are just filled with so many clueless gamers.

You mean Tuwen? I agree. It’s pretty sad.

The rest of us were perfectly fine to talk about the differences and how things changed.

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They were talking about you son. You have a long history of getting super toxic with people that disagree with you.

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Isn’t this what delves are doing? I mean you may be right that a driving motivation behind them changing the M+ entry point is to raise the difficulty of obtaining gear from the mode. But if it is true, it seems odd that they would then create a system that’s objectively easier for 5-mans to get that same level of gear, which can also be completed by any size group below 5 as well including solo.

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Personally I think there should simply be more type of content. Why should M+ be the only way to do dungeons?

I really liked what they did with doti in s4 of DF with a m0 mode and a hard mode which would scale it to around +10-12 difficulty but without a timer and that felt more like a small raid.

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Was it due to the changes in s4? The tank/healer stuff this expansion? The dungeon pool?

What made them stop?

You call others a troll when you’re just as condescending and trolling.

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Where did I call someone a troll?

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You don’t care. You’re only here to belittle and start flame wars. You don’t even play WoW…you just chill on the forums. It’s very, very weird. Do you. Hopefully one day a CM looks at your post history that you keep hidden and realizes how toxic you truly are. You can go hop on that Discord now and get your little Army to play the victim card. You’re a huge deterrent to players on these forums which cost Blizz $$. It’s silly that you’re allowed to still be here.

I’m sure you’ll play the victim somehow for me calling you out on your behavior and try to flag this post. That’s how children act /shrug

Zero logs
Zero progress in any content
On this toon and your Shaman alt.

You sure do have a LOUD opinion on everything for someone who does nothing but WQ.

There is nothing wrong with only enjoying WQ btw. Your attitude though…

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Eh some dungeons were hard some werent. I didnt mind slummin low keys every now and again. Sometimes turbo nerding just isnt somethin im in the mood for.

The easy answer is just change the reward structure.

Honestly probably could solve a lot of problems. Idk if addition but subtraction worked here but like i said i havent had time to do a single key yet to see how bad it is with the nee xpac gear reset. S4 df wasnt too bad

Actually it was remix that killed DF S4.

Between the key squish and the horrible rotation of TWW S1 I’m really not shocked. Add delves to this and there is just no reason to bash your head against the wall that M+ can be.

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Grim Batol made me download Decursive for the first time in years.

Stupid dragons.

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I think Delves are a much bigger factor than people realize.

M+ was never fun to begin with.

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I’m about to chill and do 4 of them because it’s nice n…chill. I still make groups to make it go faster but it’s nothing like a M7-10 which is what I really need to be farming atm. I need more coffee and a real meal first. It’s definitely easier this week but some of these dungeons, phew.

Honestly if people are struggling with any key lower than 4 with how easy outgearing them is and how little challenge they actually provide I don’t think M+ is for you at all and please stay out of the queue.

The keys don’t feel even moderately challenging until around 7, and the jump up each level from there is significant.

10s feel right in line with what Mythic should feel like. Fortified and Tyrannical on keys should have always been default for M+ in general. The affixes just add some flavor.

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